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377016	2005-07-31 04:41:00	My old computer will not switch on so its hard drive with all my data is inaccesible but I have another (call it new) computer on permanent loan which has two hard drives, C and D identified as 0 and 1 already installed. One of these (1) has very little on it and I would like to replace it with the hard drive from my old, non-functioning computer. According to the Belarc Advisor printout all the hard drives are Generic IDE hard disk drives. Can I simply take the drive from my old computer and put it in the place of Drive 1 in the new? Do I have to make any jumper changes (i.e. Slave ) on the hard drive I want to install? If so where are they usually located? Do I have to make any changes in Setup? My old computer hard drive has W98 and the new one W98SE. If I run my old drive as the slave will the computer boot to W98SE? Can I access the data and programs on my old drive, once installed, without booting up the W98 operating system? Is there a risk of making the new system inoperative? Any advice, suggestions, precautions etc. would be welcome. Thanks Roy	RoyG (7768)
377017	2005-07-31 04:51:00	What I would do is. Disconnect the HD from your old computer, then disconnect the D: drive on the new one and connect the old one. Transfer your files across disconnect the old HD and reconnect the D: one again. Just make sure your old HD is set to slave before you connect it. Also there is no need to unscrew and take out the HD in your new computer just leave the old drive dangling off the cables. Trevor :)	Trev (427)
377018	2005-07-31 04:52:00	If the old hdd with 98 was OK, (if you can still boot from it) you can boot from either one with some kind of program . Or just change to the one u prefer, and slave the other to it . You HAVE to change the slave hdd to slave with the jumper on the back of the hdd (it usually has CS/MA/SL) on the back of the hdd, where u connect it to the motherboard . You have to go into the BIOS as well and put Primary Master/Slave on AUTO . You should be able access files on the slave hdd, but running the programs on it maybe a different matter . It may not like it . If u use 98 SE, if u have the cd's for the programs that are/were on the 98 hdd, u may have to reinstall them . Jumper the 98 SE hdd to Master, (If this is the hdd u want to use, and change the bootdisk in the BIOS to the 98 se hdd), and the 98 one to slave . Make sure both of them arent on Master or Slave .	Speedy Gonzales (78)
377019	2005-07-31 04:56:00	Pop it in as a slave. Tranfer whatever data you want. You can not use the OS or programmes. You could try putting it in as the primary drive (set as first boot HDD in the BIOS), but, the problem may be the drive itself and the less activity on that drive the better for your data. Plus the OS would not have access to the motherboards drivers, it may run ok, it may be mayhem. The data should be your primary concern, not OS and Programmes that can be loaded agin, don't risk it.	Murray P (44)
377020	2005-07-31 05:05:00	If the old hdd with 98 was OK, (if you can still boot from it) you can boot from either one with some kind of program . Or just change to the one u prefer, and slave the other to it . You HAVE to change the slave hdd to slave with the jumper on the back of the hdd (it usually has CS/MA/SL) on the back of the hdd, where u connect it to the motherboard . You have to go into the BIOS as well and put Primary Master/Slave on AUTO . You should be able access files on the slave hdd, but running the programs on it maybe a different matter . It may not like it . If u use 98 SE, if u have the cd's for the programs that are/were on the 98 hdd, u may have to reinstall them . Jumper the 98 SE hdd to Master, (If this is the hdd u want to use, and change the bootdisk in the BIOS to the 98 se hdd), and the 98 one to slave . Make sure both of them arent on Master or Slave . Speedy, the old programmes in the attached drive will not run, they will not be registered in the OS of the host system, they will just be files . The problem with trying to dual boot, is that we have no idea of what the cause of the problem is . Trying to boot a potentially dying drive before retrieving the data, is dangerous in that all could be lost . I notice you qualify your comments at the beginning of the post with "if you can still boot from it", but I reakon the emphasise should not be trying to boot that drive at all, but getting the data duplicated off the drive . Once the data is safe, then by all means, give it a whirl .	Murray P (44)
377021	2005-07-31 05:08:00	Thats what I meant. With the programs.	Speedy Gonzales (78)
377022	2005-07-31 05:09:00	That certainly sounds quite simple. To transfer files over do you just cut and paste or drag them from the old drive? In a way however, I would prefer to use the old drive as a permanent replacement in the new computer as it is larger (8 vs 6GB) and it has a lot of stuff like largish downloaded programs that might be diffficult to transfer. I suppose once I have done as you suggest (and there are no problems) I could decide then if I want to make it permanent. I do not understand what happens with the W98 OS on the old drive. I guess I have the fear that it will try to start up sort of in competition with the W98SE on the C drive. Anyway, thanks for help. Roy :)	RoyG (7768)
377023	2005-07-31 06:12:00	There is another way to use your old drive assuming that it is working ok, though it seems to be a bit retrograde to use Win98 instead of Win98SE. You will need drivers for all the devices in the new computer including chipset drivers most probably. The procedure is to remove the C drive from the 'new' computer and install the old one as master. Boot up into Safe Mode. Go into control Panel - System - Device Manager and progressively remove every device there including everything listed under System Devices. Then restart, and Windows 98 will re-detect the hardware on the new computer. However to make life easier for windows it is better to remove sound card and modem before re-booting. Then after windows has re-installed system devices, add the sound card, re-detect that, and then add the modem and its driver. I have done this many times, the Win98SE I still have running has gone through umpteen hard drives, motherboards and computers. It is still essentially the same install from years ago :)	Terry Porritt (14)
377024	2005-07-31 08:19:00	You don't say what make of hard drive, most have a site that can supply jumper settings plus programmes to instal that drive. Today on a WIN 95a system replaced a noisy Quantum with a old Western Digital using WD Lifeguard, it transfered the contents of the Quantum and partitioned the WD to suit. The major problem was the securing screws. It was an old PC Direct which involved removing the floppy, to remove the cd drive, to remove one hard drive, to remove the noisy offending drive.	FrankS (257)
377025	2005-07-31 09:07:00	The drive is a Maxtor 90845D4. I found several sites which told me everything but the explicit jumper settings. However, on the front of the drive itself is a small table like so: Jumper Master/Single Slave J50 On Off In the jumper field at the end of the drive there is just the one jumper, so I am speculating that all I have to do to make this act as slave is remove that jumper. I assume that as I am replacing (temporarily in order to recover the data) a slave hard disk already installed I may not have to make any changes in Setup. I am proposing to follow the procedure detailed by Trev above as this seems to be the simplest and achieves the required data tranfer. After doing so will probably reinstate the temporarily displaced disk as it is practically empty and put the transferred data on it. I would appreciate it if someone could confirm my assumption above and any other useful comments. Thanks for the help. Roy	RoyG (7768)
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