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Thread ID: 137223	2014-06-07 06:28:00	Quad bikes (so called)	mzee (3324)	PC World Chat

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1376711	2014-06-07 06:28:00	First of all there is no such thing as a "Quad bike". If it was a "bike" it would only have two wheels. It is a CCUV, "Cross Country Utility Vehicle". I get fed up with constant reports of "accidents" with them. Why doesn't the Government insist that all CCUV's be fitted with a roll cage and seat belts? If the cage is suitably curved the machine will end up on its wheels in most instances. Anyone having a roll-over accident on a machine with no roll cage should have to pay there own medical expenses. Patching up these stupid idiots after their "accidents" costs the Taxpayer a fortune.	mzee (3324)
1376712	2014-06-07 07:16:00	I drove past one on a trailer a couple of weeks a go with a huge roll over bar on the back. Looked hideous but will do its job. Something so simple.	plod (107)
1376713	2014-06-07 07:19:00	It can be called a quad bike and is legally defined as such in numerous countries. I suspect it became known so because quadcycle sounds stupid and is trickier to say ;) Tricycle is easy enough to turn into Trike, but Quike doesn't really work... That said, yes, I think there need to be changes. I'm normally against going overly-PC & H&S, but when overlooking simple safety guidelines (like don't speed over unstable terrain without a helmet) keeps leading to massive medical bills, at some point people need to take responsibility for their own choices and actions. Maybe they need to start fining or otherwise enforcing those who are stupid on these things, just like they (try to) do with other forms of vehicle.	inphinity (7274)
1376714	2014-06-07 07:39:00	a lot of the accidents is from doing stupid crap. the other especially farmers often relates to that they are using them in marginal traction areas and things like being tired due to work load, long hours etc comes into play. also poor education/training (usually none) means bad habits form, and when your tired good driving disappears and you fall back on bad habits. theres a ton of other factors and a culture of anyone can do anything on them. roll hoop will help but one issue i've run into is that a lot of quads now are so big they are difficult to get off them. so when one tips over you don't a get dumped on the ground as it goes over, your more likely to stay on untill its rolling and get flung off which will do more damage to you. the other way is to fit a roll cage, but this make them top heavy and you've effectively gone from a quad to an atv (eg mule etc ute like, where you can seat 2-3 people)	tweak'e (69)
1376715	2014-06-07 09:49:00	NZ MBIE research (www.dol.govt.nz) has shown that at least 2/3 of survey respondents had not worn helmets after a accident. Also Quad bike manufacturers won't install roll over cages due to litigation fear. Safety campaigns and debates seem to continue...	kahawai chaser (3545)
1376716	2014-06-07 09:55:00	A farm worker in Rai valley was recently fined $15000 for not wearing a helmet and giving children rides also sans helmets on a ccuv.	gary67 (56)
1376717	2014-06-07 20:30:00	Most of it should come down to the driver. I saw a lot of safety breaches down south, the idea seemed to be because they were rural they were way smarter than town people and knew what they were doing. That is: Letting young kids take them alone, riding them on hills without taking into account the angle etc, and not just with quad bikes, all sorts of things. I knew a guy who was safety officer for his logging workplace. He had a tree on the ground, on a slope, got in front of it, cut the branches, and then wondered why the log rolled down and over him, breaking his leg. He'd been a logger for years......watching him with other tools round his home, made me wonder how he'd survived so long....	pctek (84)
1376718	2014-06-08 00:12:00	Most of it should come down to the driver. I saw a lot of safety breaches down south, the idea seemed to be because they were rural they were way smarter than town people and knew what they were doing. That is: Letting young kids take them alone, riding them on hills without taking into account the angle etc, and not just with quad bikes, all sorts of things. I knew a guy who was safety officer for his logging workplace. He had a tree on the ground, on a slope, got in front of it, cut the branches, and then wondered why the log rolled down and over him, breaking his leg. He'd been a logger for years......watching him with other tools round his home, made me wonder how he'd survived so long.... whats that called....."systemic failure of the industry". the industry is so rotten that they don't know they are bad so they think they are good. same as the building industry was, trucking industry etc.	tweak'e (69)
1376719	2014-06-08 05:11:00	If we devote great efforts to enforcing the survival of those not terribly well equipped for it, we will wind up with swarms of drongos. Remember, the Beehive is only supposed to hold 120. :(	R2x1 (4628)
1376720	2014-06-08 14:19:00	I get fed up with constant reports of "accidents" with them. Why doesn't the Government insist that all CCUV's be fitted with a roll cage and seat belts? If the cage is suitably curved the machine will end up on its wheels in most instances. Anyone having a roll-over accident on a machine with no roll cage should have to pay there own medical expenses. Mmm...dunno. There is an Australian system which can be fitted with a flexible bar and there are other safety bars too. I've ridden 4wheelers and mostly they are very safe. You have to really try to turn them over. Helmets sound like a good idea but these machines are not high-speed motorcycles. A helmet is decorative. You will be crushed while the helmet is unmarked. If you are using a 4wheeler you are most likely to trap your feet under the rear wheels. These are low slung vehicles. What we do not know is the number of hours on these machines compared with injuries. They might be less dangerous than cars.	Winston001 (3612)
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