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Thread ID: 61278	2005-08-30 13:23:00	What is the best firewall(software)	Bazman (6587)	Press F1

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384868	2005-09-02 01:57:00	are you talking about running the GUI or actually disableing the actual firewall? disabing the firewall (there is no option to do it as it always runs which is the same with most firewalls) is concidered an attack even if its the user doing it delibirately . if they want to disable it they need to uninstall it and even then it should ask if its the user doing it or a program uninstalling it (it checks to see if a program is controlling keyboard and mouse drivers when you click yes to uninstall it) Yes yes I know all this and that why I advised an uninstall as the quickest solution (they wanted to get going), although firewalls I use will dissable in this situation . lol Basically you are agreeing with what I am saying, you clearly know how to fix the problem (as I do) but they didin't . get it? . I feel you may not have dealt with to many end users, the more automated there security the better lol . Keep it simple, SP2 and virus protection is fine . W	Battleneter (60)
384869	2005-09-02 02:14:00	Why are they disabling it? provided its running it dosn't affect any networking. its sounds like they are missing something in the config and trying to disable it as a shortcut instead of learning to use something. and here you go telling them to take the shortcut and use a poor product instead of teaching them how to use it. while i agree the easier it is the better, there is a point where the user has to get of their butt and learn how to use things. dumbing the sicurity down simply means more $$$ to techs to fix the pc's. i get this all the time....they remove the firewalls, turn on MS firewall, then a techs out there every month fixing it. finally when they learn to use the tools they don't require a tech to repair their pc all the time.	tweak'e (69)
384870	2005-09-02 02:16:00	LOL home pc's are a very comman target by hackers . not so much to actually hack but to "infect" so they have somebody to hide behind . makes the real hacking harder to trace . the trojens/keyloggers will go straight through MS firewall along with passwords etc and the user will never know about it . antivirus MIGHT pick it up but decent firewall will stop it provided the user is not a village idiot and let it straight through . the user can then use other tools such as AV to find it and kill it . if its a newish one it may be a few days before the AV company releases the defs to detect it . at least its contained on the pc, not sending back onfo or infecting others . MS firewall is a case of "ignorance is bliss" Yes your argument is "Technically correct" and I do not disagree . It comes down to risk perception, the annoyance of a program like ZA (performance hit and end user problems) vs the possibility of you PC being infected during the short time of the AV definitions being updated . Age of users and what they do with there PC's is another consideration . Someone that is 55 and doesn't use P2P etc, is far less likely to become infected than some 15 year old kid downloading files off Kazaa . In theory we should all run hardware and fully configured software firewalls, maybe with proxy servers, maybe linked to Linux shells on other PC's, but it is not practical or necessary in reality, so its important to consider the type of user you are giving security advice to . Your comment of the delay with AV definitions is technically correct but . . . . . . doesn't hold enough water to justify the annoyance of a program like ZA, id rather have half the viruses out there thank you, they will be less annoying .	Battleneter (60)
384871	2005-09-02 02:24:00	Why are they disabling it? provided its running it dosn't affect any networking . its sounds like they are missing something in the config and trying to disable it as a shortcut instead of learning to use something . and here you go telling them to take the shortcut and use a poor product instead of teaching them how to use it . while i agree the easier it is the better, there is a point where the user has to get of their butt and learn how to use things . dumbing the sicurity down simply means more $$$ to techs to fix the pc's . i get this all the time . . . . they remove the firewalls, turn on MS firewall, then a techs out there every month fixing it . finally when they learn to use the tools they don't require a tech to repair their pc all the time . I am not sure why ZA wouldn't allow there PC's onto the workgroup . I can say this happend on 3 seperate occasions (off the top of my head) at different lans . I didn't investigate to deep, as I was there to play games not fix there PC's . But it is an example of end users having probs with ZA . As for users having probs after running MS firewall, sorry I have no idea what your talking about, we don't see this at all, I can only guess they dont have SP2 loaded .	Battleneter (60)
384872	2005-09-02 10:06:00	Wow a microsoft fan boy!!! :horrified Quote by:Battleneter Woa woa woa your sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong. Your wrong wrong wrong wrong Did I mention you are wrong? Take a seat the doctor will see you shortly,you are really emotionale,are you losing it? :lol:	memphis (2869)
384873	2005-09-02 10:10:00	Your comment of the delay with AV definitions is technically correct but...... doesn't hold enough water to justify the annoyance of a program like ZA, id rather have half the viruses out there thank you, they will be less annoying. your assuming that the AV acctually works. have a look at how many posts we get here where there is an infected pc and a working uptodate AV ...there are tons! also your forgetting that AV's do not detect non malicous programs that most users would block from accessing the net. it dosn't matter that ZA for eg is annoying, an infected pc is worse. simply ignoreing the infection by useing a poor firewall is just a mongruel attidude to take. i've said it before and i'll say it again.. every person i have met that dosn't like firewalls etc has changed their mind very quickly after been infected with something. yes its a pain useing firewalls av, updates etc but the alternative is worse and costs a lot more. I am not sure why ZA wouldn't allow there PC's onto the workgroup most comman....lan adapter set on internet zone instead of trusted.	tweak'e (69)
384874	2005-09-02 10:33:00	A nice podcast about NAT routers as a firewall and what a software firewall is good for and what they can and cant stop. aolradio.podcast.aol.com it also recomends a few free firewalls.	robsonde (120)
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