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Thread ID: 61679	2005-09-13 03:37:00	Overheating?	JJJJJ (528)	Press F1

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388027	2005-09-14 19:45:00	A poster wanting help should allways post the system specs. of their computer as it helps people to help them. Should be mandatary I get sick of asking all the time when someone wants help and they tell you nothing about their computer. They should know and if they dont then use windows to tell you and/or the free programmes that tell you. Could the Administrators make a sticky of those programmes and then when people ask for help and they dont post system specs. or dont know system specs.,we can tell them to go to the sticky. There is a very comprehensive PressF1 FAQ on this, which includes how to find out your system specificiations: FAQ- How To Get Effective Help on PF1. Help Us to Help You. (Not the Pocket Version.) (pressf1.pcworld.co.nz) - section 10 covers system information. :)	Jen (38)
388028	2005-09-14 22:02:00	mobo temp is considered case temp. as you mention location etc has a big influence on it and as jjjj mentioned they are not very accurate sensors. thats why doing such a simple quick test like removing side panel of the case will show IF there is a case cooling problem or just incorrect sensors. while this may not have anything what so ever to do with his problem its worth cheaking exspecially as it takes all of 30 secs to test it. I dissagree completely, Many manufactures put a 2nd sencor near the CPU to optain a external CPU reading. Many cheaper boards do not have a case sensor at all. The lack of information about the system means guessing that temperatures are to high are exactly that "guessing". You may be right but you may be wrong. Its kinda like giveing a patient Chemotherapy because the Patient THINKS he has cancer.	Battleneter (60)
388029	2005-09-14 22:08:00	That aside, What Tweak'e said is true, it only takes 3.2 seconds to point a fan at it, even if all it does is discount theroy #1. And that aside as well, From what Jack has said about not being able to replicate the isssue,and that it happened after an extended period of use I would still suggest it was simply struggling for resources and accessing the harddrive, Hell, In good old windows fashion it was probally resizing the page file while he was ingame.....	Metla (12)
388030	2005-09-14 22:10:00	Doesn't everybody here know that Jack as an AMD 64 3200,an Asus Nforce3 and a 9800pro (that he isn't very happy with, but then I did say at the time to get a 6600GT) A 6600GT is a bit faster than a 9800 pro, but it centainly isn't worth the $300 upgrade cost for an extra 30% ish performance boost. I have a 9800XT and have looked very closely at the 6600GT. Most 6600GT's are only 128MB which means they "may" struggle in games coming up like F.E.A.R etc. The better idea is to save some more dollaroes and buy a real upgrade ie 6800GT, or wait for the next gen cards to drop a little more which is what I am doing.	Battleneter (60)
388031	2005-09-14 22:12:00	I dissagree completely, Many manufactures put a 2nd sencor near the CPU to optain a external CPU reading. Many cheaper boards do not have a case sensor at all. 90% of mobo's have a mobo sensor at the far end of the board. granted cheap ones often have no sensors at all. i've yet to see one with an external sensor close to the cpu (not including the "under the cpu" cpu sensor) The lack of information about the system means guessing that temperatures are to high are exactly that "guessing". You may be right but you may be wrong. exactly they why we test things first. Its kinda like giveing a patient Chemotherapy because the Patient THINKS he has cancer. no, its about TESTING to see IF the patient has cancer.	tweak'e (69)
388032	2005-09-14 22:22:00	That aside, What Tweak'e said is true, it only takes 3 . 2 seconds to point a fan at it, even if all it does is discount theroy #1 . And that aside as well, From what Jack has said about not being able to replicate the isssue,and that it happened after an extended period of use I would still suggest it was simply struggling for resources and accessing the harddrive, Hell, In good old windows fashion it was probally resizing the page file while he was ingame . . . . . yes and only 1 min to swap the ram and 1 min to swap the CPU and 1 min to swap the video card and only 10 minutes to swap the motherboard . See my point? guess guess guess, we could do this all day . Logical process of elimination is the way to solve the problem, starting with software . Another obvious suggestion before looking at hardware would have been to try another high end game to see if problems occurs there to . If not then its highly unlikly to be hardware (including heat) . I see the same suggestions over and over in these threads, "Heat,PSU,and motherboard" As I read theses suggestions they get :groan: and :rolleyes:	Battleneter (60)
388033	2005-09-14 22:43:00	and only 10 minutes to swap the motherboard. .......hell that's quick......	drcspy (146)
388034	2005-09-14 23:01:00	90% of mobo's have a mobo sensor at the far end of the board. granted cheap ones often have no sensors at all. i've yet to see one with an external sensor close to the cpu (not including the "under the cpu" cpu sensor) exactly they why we test things first. no, its about TESTING to see IF the patient has cancer. Point 1 Never seen a CPU Sensor? really??. They are very common on Athlon socket A class boards as Athlons don't really have an internal core Sensor, wich was a major thing missing from the Architecture. Also noted them on other classes of boards but less common. Have a close look and see if you can see one in this picture. www.overclockers.co.nz 0105&file=2phase.jpg Point 2 You don't seem to know much about the PC market, do you think Dell,HP and IBM use $200 motherboards in most of there Desktop PC's or $70 boards?. Who do you think is the largest supplier of motherboards in the world is , Asus, Gigabyte?, MSI Ill give you a hint, you will probably never guess, its none of those, although I have seen clueless article’s describing how Asus is the largest (cough wrong).	Battleneter (60)
388035	2005-09-14 23:04:00	and only 10 minutes to swap the motherboard. .......hell that's quick...... Actually depending on the case etc, I could do it in 5 minutes, maybe less especially if its an all onboard job..... wow, I can also touch my nose and rub my tummy at the same time!.	Battleneter (60)
388036	2005-09-14 23:12:00	Who do you think is the largest supplier of motherboards in the world is , Asus, Gigabyte?, MSI Ill give you a hint, you will probably never guess, its none of those, although I have seen clueless article’s describing how Asus is the largest (cough wrong). Its ECS and PCChips, though PCChips own ECS so its both....sort of .. Anyhow, there are 2 different markets, and Asus ship more boards to the market but ECS/PCChips sell more to OEM's, Giving Asus THE #1 spot for selling motherboards. Simple?	Metla (12)
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