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389555 2005-09-20 01:39:00 looking at this lan cable in front of me..
and noticed it only have 4 wires connected inside
the plug shape is same as other cables with all 8 wires conncted

the cable got a lable "cross over cable" on it and i think it came with my wireless acess point

now..a normal telephone plug has 4 connections that it can use..but..only uses 2 right?
so..is it possible to rewire or modify the plug shape and then run my lan upstairs using the telefone cable wired into the building?
heni72847 (1166)
389556 2005-09-20 01:47:00 Yes, there is a device I think I saw once at DSE that will do this for you Rob99 (151)
389557 2005-09-20 03:11:00 The "crossover cable" you have with 4 wires is a "possible" twisted pair Ethernet cable . It would be a rare one, and I'd be amazed if anyone thought it worth the saving in copper . The Ethernet uses only 4 wires of the 8 in a CAT5etc cable . If the wires go to pins 1,2, 3 and 6 of the 8 pinplugs, it's an Ethernet cable .

If the plugs are 6-pin, they might swap between the 2+5, 3+4 pairs used in telephone practice .

The spare pair in your telephone cable can be used to connect one computer to another in a LAN . Modems (if capable of "leased line" mode) would do it nicely . :D I think DSE have the "Homewire" networking stuff, which uses mains wiring . I haven't seen any similar "wireless" using telephone wires . The price of the Homewire stuff is high enough that I'd go for WiFi if running netwrok cable is too difficult .
Graham L (2)
389558 2005-09-20 07:52:00 i've seen those homewire things before..and yes..the price stopped me from getting them
and the 8pin plug..is wired 1,2,3,6

so..if i do some DIY and make my own little adaptors
would that work?
and is there a way to test if the cables inside the house actually do have all 4 wired up?
and what about signal interfering with each other..like..telephone voice..adsl etc..


..and just a note about saving copper..um..ha..the cable came with my AP..so..that company must be trying pretty to make max. profit..
heni72847 (1166)
389559 2005-09-21 02:04:00 You need two pairs for twisted pair Ethernet . You have only one free pair in the telephone cable, and its almost certaiinly not CAT5 or better . NZPO 4-wire internal cable is not good enough for data .

WiFi is pretty cheap now .

If you would still like to use wire, I would be tempted to have a bit of a play with the phone wire . If the run is within walls and is fairly direct, try (carefully) to use the existing phone wire as a "fish line" . Get a reel of good strong string and attach it (securely, but with minimum lumpiness) to one end of the wire, disconnected from the socket . (You want to be able to get it back . :D) Then go to the other end and see if you can pull the wire through . It pays to have someone sensible at the other end to make sure nothing tangles . When the string appears you are in business . :D But use discretion in the pulling . If the wire is secured or knotted around a rafter somewhere in the length, harder pulling doesn't help . That will end it .

But if you are sucessfull, secure the far end of the string . Take the reel to the other end, secure it to the phone wire, and feed more string in with the telephone wire as your accomplice pulls it back . I like to have a double length in place in case I want to add more wires later . Secure your end of the string . Reconnect the phione wire, while you remember how to . You measured it while it was out so you can buy an appropriate length of CAT5e cable from Dick Smith . And now you have got a way of installing it . ;)
Graham L (2)
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