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392574	2005-10-02 01:52:00	hmmm.....Like I said, I have money on it... Anyway, Last article I read on was at Toms hardware about 3 years ago, They were getting 20 or 30 pecent performance loss when the intergrated audio dumped a large task to the cpu (multiple sounds) I'll see if I can find it on their site, I presume they archieve everything....	Metla (12)
392575	2005-10-02 02:10:00	I admit 10 years is probably an exaggeration, and you could argue brand of OB sound differ (and I am sure they do). But I will say anything over a 1 gig Celeron under normal gaming use is no longer a concern, same type of argument as software modems. Ok as for the specific game issue, something I should have pointed out.... there are many sounds going all the time in Battlefield Vietnam, tanks, guns, aircraft, many channels all the time. The main time the lag occurs is on voices "team mates saying tank spotted etc". So logically this makes little sense if it was sound card related. This is because the game engine is a hog and cannot load everything into memory. This has the effect of "its a sound issue", and when I first got Battlefield 2 this is exactly my first thought (along with many others). After much reading I upgraded past 1 gig to 2 gig and the problem was solved. As I said google seems to suggest Vietnam has the same issue which is no surprise as its the same software house, and similar engine. I am betting if he runs another high end game like Doom3 it won't do this sporadic lagging.	Battleneter (60)
392576	2005-10-02 02:18:00	Right, I say we hijack his machine and have a look at it... Anyhow, My comp ran BF2 fine at medium settings with 512mb, I did upgrade to 1Gb and that has shortened load times but....well... I never had any stuttering issues to worry about in the first place. If you mean run fine at the highest possible settings, well my video card wouldn't cut the mustard.... My laptop also runs Bf2 damn fine, though at low detail, 1024x768 res, no stuttering. Of course running higher AA and detail will bring either of my rigs to their knees....	Metla (12)
392577	2005-10-02 02:36:00	There definitely are people that run BF2 on less than 1 gig and they report it runs fine . Many others report the micro lagging . It may well be an interpretation of what is smooth or just a bizarre anomaly . Some also have stated 512MB video cards will stop lagging . (I have my doubts), but maybe it can load more textures into video memory saving system ram for other objects, so maybe that fits . In any case the more ram solved it for me and all others I read in other threads, and I am most definitely running the same on board sound I can assure you which eliminates it by logic (the processor time it takes is still exactly the same) . Symtom and the actual cause are two differnt things . Actaully "edit" my software memory monitor shows BF2 loads a lot more than 512MB of data, you MUST be getting some lag as it pages on that 512MB rig? I can't believe your not? Maybe your idea of smooth differs from others?	Battleneter (60)
392578	2005-10-02 02:55:00	Ah a fight . Actually Metla is right . You can't say some people have 512 and its fine and others 1 gb etc etc . Its the total of your components . Anything the onboard hardware - whether its sound or modems or whatever can't cope with will always try to get the CPU to help . Here: . tomshardware . com/game/20030405/sound_for_games-04 . html#conclusion" target="_blank">www . tomshardware . com It makes no difference whether this is a PII and onboard whatever chipo sound there was then or todays Athlon 64 and AC97 or whatever . You can get away with onboard sound to a point as in my case - my CPU is grunty, I have tons of ram as well not that it probably matters . It does ok, but of course its not going to cope if I suddenly try to have all the fancy sound effects and settings maxed out in the game settings . All depends on what type of onboard sound it is too . They aren't all equal . BF2 is known to want good hardware .	pctek (84)
392579	2005-10-02 02:56:00	Right, I say we hijack his machine and have a look at it... Anyhow, My comp ran BF2 fine at medium settings with 512mb, I did upgrade to 1Gb and that has shortened load times but....well... I never had any stuttering issues to worry about in the first place. If you mean run fine at the highest possible settings, well my video card wouldn't cut the mustard.... My laptop also runs Bf2 damn fine, though at low detail, 1024x768 res, no stuttering. Of course running higher AA and detail will bring either of my rigs to their knees.... Lol sorry to spam But YOU ARE TRIPPING HOLMES BF2 runs LIKE CRAP on 512MB of ram, you are either mistaken or expectation of performance is very low. "However it is quite clear that BF2 requires a lot of memory to operate. Basically many of the pauses/freezes are related to loading information from the hard drive, and for those of you with only 512MB of RAM this will happen very often, particularly at the start of a match and whenever new areas/items are encountered." www.tweakguides.com If you want to argue this, start posting threads showing me all the people running BF2 on 512 and are happy, ill do the opposite!	Battleneter (60)
392580	2005-10-02 03:23:00	Ah a fight . Actually Metla is right . You can't say some people have 512 and its fine and others 1 gb etc etc . Its the total of your components . Anything the onboard hardware - whether its sound or modems or whatever can't cope with will always try to get the CPU to help . Here: . tomshardware . com/game/20030405/sound_for_games-04 . html#conclusion" target="_blank">www . tomshardware . com It makes no difference whether this is a PII and onboard whatever chipo sound there was then or today's Athlon 64 and AC97 or whatever . You can get away with onboard sound to a point as in my case - my CPU is grunty, I have tons of ram as well not that it probably matters . It does ok, but of course its not going to cope if I suddenly try to have all the fancy sound effects and settings maxed out in the game settings . All depends on what type of onboard sound it is too . They aren't all equal . BF2 is known to want good hardware . Interesting article, and I Now concede the impact on SOME of the OB sound chipsets are greater than I thought BUT a lot less than Metla thought . Its a good artcial with up to 15% drop (keep in mind the Audigy often show 8%) so its the difference that is relevant **7%** ish . The Nvidia solution is OB and does very well . 7-10% impact is reasonably relevant, but its not exactly a criplling %40 which has been bantered about either . BUT!!!!!!!!! READ CAREFULY . This artical discusses frame rate performance across the board . This is NOT the issue of distinct lagging every 10 seconds etc when a voice module is loaded . So I stick 100% to my guns, the Battlefield Vietnam issue is memory related, a external sound card will not solve the problem . Suggesting a sound card will cost him money and he will still have the problem .	Battleneter (60)
392581	2005-10-02 05:19:00	Lol sorry to spam But YOU ARE TRIPPING HOLMES BF2 runs LIKE CRAP on 512MB of ram, you are either mistaken or expectation of performance is very low. "However it is quite clear that BF2 requires a lot of memory to operate. Basically many of the pauses/freezes are related to loading information from the hard drive, and for those of you with only 512MB of RAM this will happen very often, particularly at the start of a match and whenever new areas/items are encountered." www.tweakguides.com If you want to argue this, start posting threads showing me all the people running BF2 on 512 and are happy, ill do the opposite! Argue? Why would I argue a fact?, no skin off my nose if your experience is different. Start posting threads as evidence indeed....LMFAO at you.Pure comedy. Though your welcome to call in and see it any time you like.	Metla (12)
392582	2005-10-02 05:23:00	Interesting article, and I Now concede the impact on SOME of the OB sound chipsets are greater than I thought BUT a lot less than Metla thought . Its a good artcial with up to 15% drop (keep in mind the Audigy often show 8%) so its the difference that is relevant **7%** ish . The Nvidia solution is OB and does very well . 7-10% impact is reasonably relevant, but its not exactly a criplling %40 which has been bantered about either . BUT!!!!!!!!! READ CAREFULY . This artical discusses frame rate performance across the board . This is NOT the issue of distinct lagging every 10 seconds etc when a voice module is loaded . So I stick 100% to my guns, the Battlefield Vietnam issue is memory related, a external sound card will not solve the problem . Suggesting a sound card will cost him money and he will still have the problem . My figures were off? Ah well, I did read the article just the once and it was a couple of years ago . Try a soundcard yourself, it may help your own lagging issues, I personally wouldn't be without mine .	Metla (12)
392583	2005-10-02 05:46:00	Interesting article, and I Now concede the impact on SOME of the OB sound chipsets are greater than I thought BUT a lot less than Metla thought. This artical discusses frame rate performance across the board. This is NOT the issue of distinct lagging every 10 seconds etc when a voice module is loaded. So I stick 100% to my guns, the Battlefield Vietnam issue is memory related, a external sound card will not solve the problem. Suggesting a sound card will cost him money and he will still have the problem. Really for BF2 you should have 1Gb, a 3200+ or higher CPU, not a Sempron and at least a 6600GT. And a sound card would be good too. Probably a bit much if the current PC doesn't meet those specs but with the new lot of games coming out soon, such as FEAR, its heading that way as far as gaming hardware goes. And stutter in the sound - he might want to turn off EAX for one thing. That would help...	pctek (84)
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