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Thread ID: 62594	2005-10-12 21:15:00	Finally, is the promised land of broadband paradise in sight?	xmojo1 (4630)	Press F1

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395661	2005-10-17 00:23:00	You are crippled with a 10GB cap, how terrible, quite sad really. Perhaps you should take a good look at what you are doing with your life. Download a couple of game demos and see how much that eats now. Everything is huge these days.	pctek (84)
395662	2005-10-17 01:39:00	Even just playing games chews through your cap. Imagine how crap it would be for us if purchasing & downloading games through steam took off & everyone started doing that to reduce their costs.	Greven (91)
395663	2005-10-17 04:57:00	Even just playing games chews through your cap. Imagine how crap it would be for us if purchasing & downloading games through steam took off & everyone started doing that to reduce their costs. I Agree, I think the people that use maybe only 2 gig a month can't understand how others are winging about 10 gig caps. Certainly the "average user" requirements are growing exponentially with online games eating far more than they were two years ago. The other VERY important thing some people forget is, we do not all live alone or only have 1 PC. I have a family with 3 PC's, and a couple of near teenagers and a few adults trying to share 10 gig is tough. I certainly think for $69 a month "Xtra" for 10 gig is a complete rip off, but there is not many alternatives that is not bitstream, and Bitstream caps arn't a whole heap better anyway (the newer plans). The 256K unlimited shapedwith higher gerneal latency....eeew (for me anyway) .	Battleneter (60)
395664	2005-10-17 05:44:00	I'm on 256k unlimited through Orcon & I found that the shaping has been very effective at reducing latency for gaming.	Greven (91)
395665	2005-10-17 05:50:00	I have no problem with high caps or no caps with high speed, but the user should be expected to pay accordingly. I use about 1 GB per month on a 3 GB plan, but would object if my costs were averaged to pay for the international bandwidth of those that wanted the high usage. The speed is relatively immaterial for me, faster would not mean higher usage. There is a real cost on the supply end in terms of bandwidth cost, as long as that is equitably apportioned as user pays, there should be no unreasonable limits applied. But I suspect those wanting 20 or 50 GB may not really want to pay for it?	godfather (25)
395666	2005-10-17 05:56:00	I'm on 256k unlimited through Orcon & I found that the shaping has been very effective at reducing latency for gaming . Well, I know from other threads Bitsream has got better, but there are still dozens of threads even with recent posts with many unhappy people using Bitstream . I could never go back to 256K anyway, and should not have to for more Cap . 256K is not considered as braodband by many countries . We all get ripped off including the plan you are on . With plans being a lot better is Aussy and the fact the TCNZ own half the Southerncross cable, there is a logical reason for thinking this, even though it is a little more complex than that .	Battleneter (60)
395667	2005-10-17 06:01:00	I have no problem with high caps or no caps with high speed, but the user should be expected to pay accordingly . I use about 1 GB per month on a 3 GB plan, but would object if my costs were averaged to pay for the international bandwidth of those that wanted the high usage . The speed is relatively immaterial for me, faster would not mean higher usage . There is a real cost on the supply end in terms of bandwidth cost, as long as that is equitably apportioned as user pays, there should be no unreasonable limits applied . But I suspect those wanting 20 or 50 GB may not really want to pay for it? What you are not understanding is, we are already paying for large data caps, we are just not recieving them . People wanting less should be paying less than they are now for there plans As my last post, you only need to look over the Tasman to realise something is wrong . Everyone knows it including the NZ commerce commission, but things keep draggin on and on with the government sitting on there hands .	Battleneter (60)
395668	2005-10-17 07:00:00	As my last post, you only need to look over the Tasman to realise something is wrong. Everyone knows it including the NZ commerce commission, but things keep draggin on and on with the government sitting on there hands. Just checked 2 main ISP plans (Optus and Telstra) and their rates look remarkably similar to ours, with "unlimited" also being speed capped at 10 or 12 GB. Which specific Australian ISPs are you referring to? Mind you I am not disagreeing that Telecom are "maximising their position to their financial advantage" as much as possible, but as a (mainly) privately owned company their directors are actually required to do so. Their shareholders demand it. That includes the returns on the SC cable assets. The fault probably lies largely in the manner of the TC sell-off, but thats historic and unable to be reversed. There is a limit to how far the Commerce Commission can go, and still allow a suitable degree of confidence in needed overseas investment in NZ. If they are over zealous, the outcome could be quite severe in many areas as overseas capital is extracted due to the regulatory action. If they do too little, we are shafted cost wise as this thread possible suggests. What would you do in reality, if you had the option and knew the consequences?	godfather (25)
395669	2005-10-17 07:08:00	What would you do in reality, if you had the option and knew the consequences? Moan on msg boards, Its the obvious choice. Anyhow, Seeing as Telecom pass on all the costs of implementing infranstucture,all running costs plus their large profit margin, shouldn't we be able to do all that ourselves?.Even if the millions required are borrowed and all future customers hep pay it off, at the very least it would kill off Telecom, especially if VOIP was heavily promoted. They can whack it on my rates bill for all I care,and I would still pay a worthy monthly fee. Oh yeah, I got heaps of Buds in Aussie, they all whinge about their capped internet and high fees as well....	Metla (12)
395670	2005-10-17 07:14:00	But I suspect those wanting 20 or 50 GB may not really want to pay for it? I would love to have the CHOICE. If telecom said I could have 2Mb/s down and 800Kb/s up and no data cap for $150 I would take it.	robsonde (120)
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