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396965	2005-10-19 05:58:00	hmm, yours has only a 19inch monitor with lower resolution, last generation cpu? still current so I will call it current generation cpu same as your one. Makes no difference what you want to call it, Its not a great CPU. The G5 has a nice screen, though those high resolutions are beyond useless, And I do wonder what happens when it starts to dim,gets stuck pixels or develops a fault....do you then just dump the entire system? Makes less sense then a combined VHS/TV....	Metla (12)
396966	2005-10-19 12:31:00	Having used PCs for years I bought a Mac Mini last Friday. I have a Shuttle which I use for games and I wanted something sererate for serious stuff. OSX 10.4 seems to have every thing I need except for a real office suite, so I downloaded Open Office for it and now my serious machine has it all. It was on special and it cost only $899 for the 1.4 model - that's 1.4 ghz in Mac land not PC land. It feels snappier than my PC which runs twice as fast. When I got the wee beastie home I connected it to my network and powered on. I was presented with a few pages of questions and within less than 10 minutes I was cinnected to the internet and downloading my email. Sweet. It's a quarter the size of my Shuttle and nearly silent. The Mini lives on a rimu writing desk in the lounge, connected to an LCD screen and cordless mouse and keyboard - the whole thing looks clean and sexy. Apples blurb that "it just works' is certainly true. it's many years since I sat in front of a monitor and made little cooing noises - there's so much that's cool and fresh and new after using Windows. For those of you who reckong thatr upgrades are impossible I had the thing apart and a new stick of DDR ram installed within minutes - any techie could do it, even Metla! I really think that if you haven't owned bot a PC and a Mac then you're in no position to judge which is the better system. I will keep the Shuttle for games simply because of the vast range of games available, but for office stuff, emails, surfing etc it's the mac Mini all the way for me. I don't know about being brainwashed, but who is it that finds it so hard to leave Windows for a newer, brighter life without registery woes?	Standing_Amazed (7841)
396967	2005-10-19 19:49:00	Uh....I cant view your page properly in IE or firefox.Sorry about that Metla, It was only kinda working for me in firefox, and I had to get going. Here is a pdf (www.quietbox.ath.cx), it should work better for you. And to be fair if your going to use american pricing for the Apple then you should do the same for the PC parts..... I realise that you havn't seen this yet because that first link was not loading. right, but for the US pricing, I put a conversion from USD to NZD at the bottom, (which was cheaper than the BF2) but to make a more accurate picture of what would happen in NZ I also took the pricing ratio between US base mac, and the NZ base mac and applied that to the USD total. Needless to say the price I got out of it was not cheaper (thanks renassiance for looking after you customers, thats why we love you :mad: ) hmm, yours has only a 19inch monitor with lower resolution, last generation cpu? still current so I will call it current generation cpu same as your one. Plod, before you get too carried away explaining how wonderful the extra inch of screen space is, remember that the BF2 still has a huge video card in it, that the G5 can't match. -Qyiet	qyiet (6730)
396968	2005-10-19 20:14:00	It was on special and it cost only $899 for the 1 . 4 model - that's 1 . 4 ghz in Mac land not PC land . It feels snappier than my PC which runs twice as fast . Right, You have managed to configure your "twice as fast PC" to run slower then a minimac and you think to give me stick? . . . ROFLMA . For those of you who reckong thatr upgrades are impossible I had the thing apart and a new stick of DDR ram installed within minutes - any techie could do it, even Metla! The words used were limited and expensive . As for the Minimac, Its a nice little niche product, Would probally buy one for my granny .	Metla (12)
396969	2005-10-19 20:39:00	Alrighty The G5 NZ $3486 20-inch widescreen LCD 2.1GHz PowerPC G5 processor 512MB memory (533MHz DDR2 SDRAM) 250GB Serial ATA hard drive Slot-load 8x double-layer SuperDrive ATI Radeon X600 XT graphics with 128MB DDR memory Upgrading it to 2GB is a whopping $2,313.06, Presumibly plus GST, Guess that must me a limitation of the motherboard, They only reasoning I can see for it is if the supplied Mobo just can't take 2GB and has to be upgraded to a model thats less the suck. Well worth asking at your local Apple dealer before you make a purchase. If its just price rorting then why would anyone take their bizzo to them? The Optical drive is an 8-Speed, Love to see the reason for that, most probally just so they can charge an extra $400 for a 16 speed drive. Is it dual layer?, no idea, thats probally another $400 as well. The CPU (as illistated by the fallout and the move to Intell) is underpowerd in relation to todays hardware, Stuck in last generation. Nice screen though, I still haven't been told what the Apple fan does when it starts to dim,die or develops a defect. Whoa, What a deal, Quick, Throw them as much money as you can, They just work (i would expect better but meh). I can't imagine the day I ask a car salesman how good the latest Falcon is and get told "it just works".Lmao. Alrighty, So how to spec up a machine that uses a last generation CPU,512mb ram, An outdated DVD drive and match it up with a screen that will take the entire rig down with it if it breaks? ***, I would even sell such a pile of crap, even if it did manage to "just work".	Metla (12)
396970	2005-10-19 20:57:00	Having used PCs for years I bought a Mac Mini last Friday. I have a Shuttle which I use for games and I wanted something sererate for serious stuff. OSX 10.4 seems to have every thing I need except for a real office suite, so I downloaded Open Office for it and now my serious machine has it all. It was on special and it cost only $899 for the 1.4 model - that's 1.4 ghz in Mac land not PC land. It feels snappier than my PC which runs twice as fast. When I got the wee beastie home I connected it to my network and powered on. I was presented with a few pages of questions and within less than 10 minutes I was cinnected to the internet and downloading my email. Sweet. It's a quarter the size of my Shuttle and nearly silent. The Mini lives on a rimu writing desk in the lounge, connected to an LCD screen and cordless mouse and keyboard - the whole thing looks clean and sexy. Apples blurb that "it just works' is certainly true. it's many years since I sat in front of a monitor and made little cooing noises - there's so much that's cool and fresh and new after using Windows. For those of you who reckong thatr upgrades are impossible I had the thing apart and a new stick of DDR ram installed within minutes - any techie could do it, even Metla! I really think that if you haven't owned bot a PC and a Mac then you're in no position to judge which is the better system. I will keep the Shuttle for games simply because of the vast range of games available, but for office stuff, emails, surfing etc it's the mac Mini all the way for me. I don't know about being brainwashed, but who is it that finds it so hard to leave Windows for a newer, brighter life without registery woes? I must congratulate you for being so honest with your comments. If any of us Mac users say things like that here we get comments like this. "Apple quoted customer fluff pieces are a joke,worthless and weak, Not worthy of anything more then mockery. To say that most users tasks are so lightweight that you should spend double on an under-powered Mac is madness" Hopefully your post will go some way to convince people that what we say are not fanatical outbursts but actual personal experiences based on using both Macs and Windows systems.	Safari (3993)
396971	2005-10-19 21:08:00	The would be true if I had just pasted in comments from an XP marketing page...... Anyhow, feel free to counter anything I have said (do it properly, links to a Mac promotional page doesn't cut it) I realise I am as one sided as the Mac heads so a balanced view is welcome. My view of the G5 Poorly speced Poor value Poor design Your personal view that "its just great" doesn't hold much water....Im still yet to see a single benifit above the fact that its not targeted by malicious code.	Metla (12)
396972	2005-10-19 21:08:00	Right, You have managed to configure your "twice as fast PC" to run slower then a minimac and you think to give me stick? . . . ROFLMA . The words used were limited and expensive . As for the Minimac, Its a nice little niche product, Would probally buy one for my granny . LOL Metla . Your credibility will suffer if you keep on with trying to justify every inaccurate comment you make .	Safari (3993)
396973	2005-10-19 21:09:00	Alrighty The G5 NZ $3486 20-inch widescreen LCD 2.1GHz PowerPC G5 processor 512MB memory (533MHz DDR2 SDRAM) 250GB Serial ATA hard drive Slot-load 8x double-layer SuperDrive ATI Radeon X600 XT graphics with 128MB DDR memory Upgrading it to 2GB is a whopping $2,313.06, Presumibly plus GST, Guess that must me a limitation of the motherboard, They only reasoning I can see for it is if the supplied Mobo just can't take 2GB and has to be upgraded to a model thats less the suck. Well worth asking at your local Apple dealer before you make a purchase. If its just price rorting then why would anyone take their bizzo to them? The Optical drive is an 8-Speed, Love to see the reason for that, most probally just so they can charge an extra $400 for a 16 speed drive. Is it dual layer?, no idea, thats probally another $400 as well. The CPU (as illistated by the fallout and the move to Intell) is underpowerd in relation to todays hardware, Stuck in last generation. Nice screen though, I still haven't been told what the Apple fan does when it starts to dim,die or develops a defect. Whoa, What a deal, Quick, Throw them as much money as you can, They just work (i would expect better but meh). I can't imagine the day I ask a car salesman how good the latest Falcon is and get told "it just works".Lmao. Alrighty, So how to spec up a machine that uses a last generation CPU,512mb ram, An outdated DVD drive and match it up with a screen that will take the entire rig down with it if it breaks? ***, I would even sell such a pile of crap, even if it did manage to "just work".the 2 gig of ram is when yiu max it out to 2.5 gig only having two slots. you can put in two 1gig sticks at a fraction of the cost if you bothered to read my post	plod (107)
396974	2005-10-19 21:11:00	Thats nice Plod, I'm happy for you . So the G5 does use a budget board that only has 2 ram slots . Nice .	Metla (12)
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