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Thread ID: 137512	2014-07-17 02:41:00	Reshuffling the deck chairs and chucking a few overboard at MS	Webdevguy (17166)	PC World Chat

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1379471	2014-07-18 11:37:00	Because we know that Google and Apple have never done back room deals to stifle innovation. I say go Microsoft and Windows Phone. A third choice is always nice, and hopefully their market share keeps steadily increasing. That doesn't mean I wish either Android or IOS to become irrelevant, for the same reason I want WP to succeed. I'd be interested to hear a good reason as to why it would be bad for WP to succeed? For any form of Windows Phone to get any sort of recognisable market share ie more than 5%, the phone would need to appeal to hundreds of millions of Andriod and iPhone users and MS would need a clearly defined roadmap as to how to develop and improve the phone above and beyond anything that Anyone else is doing. Windows phone would also need to appeal to several hundred thousand app developers if it is to compete for customers attention over and above Android and iPhone apps. Until that day happens Windows Phone will be stuck around the 3% threshold. Google has certainly done back room deals to steal IP. Apple for better or worse has tried to come up with different ideas and tried to protect them. Some if that has worked, some hasn't.	Webdevguy (17166)
1379472	2014-07-18 20:40:00	Webmacguy. :banana	R2x1 (4628)
1379473	2014-07-18 20:42:00	Hmmm, I still think you are an instance of 'He who must not be named' All your trolling M$ on a PC dedicated forum does nothing to convince me otherwise. crApple are and will remain the single biggest obstacle to innovation in the tech world.	KarameaDave (15222)
1379474	2014-07-18 20:43:00	Webmacguy. :banana + 1,000,000,000	KarameaDave (15222)
1379475	2014-07-18 22:59:00	For any form of Windows Phone to get any sort of recognisable market share ie more than 5%, the phone would need to appeal to hundreds of millions of Andriod and iPhone users and MS would need a clearly defined roadmap as to how to develop and improve the phone above and beyond anything that Anyone else is doing. Windows phone would also need to appeal to several hundred thousand app developers if it is to compete for customers attention over and above Android and iPhone apps. Until that day happens Windows Phone will be stuck around the 3% threshold. Google has certainly done back room deals to steal IP. Apple for better or worse has tried to come up with different ideas and tried to protect them. Some if that has worked, some hasn't. Windows Phone already offers some compelling reasons to use it, and while there have been a couple of apps I'd have liked to either exist, or be better than they are, on they whole I've found the app list acceptable. It certainly doesn't have as many apps as Android or IOS, but I've never felt too deprived. Apple has tried to come up with different ideas and protect them? Yea right :groan::groan: Doesn't mean they have made no innovations - they have - but they appear more concerned with preventing others from innovating than innovating themselves.	Nick G (16709)
1379476	2014-07-18 23:45:00	Windows Phone already offers some compelling reasons to use it, and while there have been a couple of apps I'd have liked to either exist, or be better than they are, on they whole I've found the app list acceptable. It certainly doesn't have as many apps as Android or IOS, but I've never felt too deprived. Cool, time will tell if they are going to be successful although they might want to get moving and sell more phones at full mark up if they are to be successful :thumbs:	Webdevguy (17166)
1379477	2014-07-18 23:53:00	Apple has tried to come up with different ideas and protect them? Yea right :groan::groan: Doesn't mean they have made no innovations - they have - but they appear more concerned with preventing others from innovating than innovating themselves. For the record a new idea or concept only has to be 30% different than the original idea that it was conceived from in order to be patentable or copyrighted. Then you just need a bunch of lawyers to prove or disprove it in a court of law :)	Webdevguy (17166)
1379478	2014-07-18 23:53:00	Cool, time will tell if they are going to be successful although they might want to get moving and sell more phones at full mark up if they are to be successful :thumbs: Sorry? They should raise their prices to be successful? Apple logic right there, nothing wrong with making very low profits or even a loss on the hardware if its part of a long term plan to improve the market share and number of apps on the platform.	Nick G (16709)
1379479	2014-07-18 23:53:00	Windows Phone already offers some compelling reasons to use it, and while there have been a couple of apps I'd have liked to either exist, or be better than they are, on they whole I've found the app list acceptable. It certainly doesn't have as many apps as Android or IOS, but I've never felt too deprived. Apple has tried to come up with different ideas and protect them? Yea right :groan::groan: Doesn't mean they have made no innovations - they have - but they appear more concerned with preventing others from innovating than innovating themselves. I really liked WP, so much so my wife was on her second one. But due to lack of essential apps or substandard apps for her I have now moved her to android. It took a bit of convincing but now loves it and she can get the apps she wants. Unfortunately I believe its a little to late for WP and that is a shame	plod (107)
1379480	2014-07-18 23:54:00	For the record a new idea or concept only has to be 30% different than the original idea that it was conceived from in order to be patentable or copyrighted. Then you just need a bunch of lawyers to prove or disprove it in a court of law :) Whether it has been patented and whether it is an actual innovation are not the same thing ;)	Nick G (16709)
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