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Thread ID: 63575	2005-11-15 01:23:00	Bittorrent and Woosh	Barnzy (6015)	Press F1

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404419	2005-11-17 11:02:00	As for strangling the internet I would put the blame squarley at the door of Telecom. Here we go again, Telecom bashing. Great stuff. Bittorrent is very efficient, its great, a great idea by a brilliant programmer. It may be too efficient however. If telecom provided a fatter pipe, more would go towards bittorrent, its proportional.	DangerousDave (697)
404420	2005-11-17 13:10:00	Wrong, Barnzy. You are abusing their system. Woosh's telephone VOIP service is separate from the basic Internet data service. It runs on the same internet account they just inspect the TCP/IP header and if it's a VOIP packet then they don't charge you for it. You can't accuse him of ripping them off.	MikeS (756)
404421	2005-11-17 16:36:00	Ill keep it simple...yes they do throttle bittorrent traffic and no I wont tell you how I know. Believe or dont but those are the facts. B.	Barnabas (4562)
404422	2005-11-17 19:32:00	It runs on the same internet account they just inspect the TCP/IP header and if it's a VOIP packet then they don't charge you for it. Does that mean that WOOSH users won't be able to use their VOIP phone while they are saturating their connection with downloads, or do they use a different method of setting the speed than limiting the connection between the ISP & the modem?	Greven (91)
404423	2005-11-17 20:30:00	Thank you Barnabas, that is what I suspected. And thank you MikeS, Woosh told me yesterday that they don't charge for bandwidth for the voip, which for me came out at just over .2Mb for the month(they just charge you a $25 flat fee per month) Greven, They priorotise voip bandwidth and there is software that can priorotise port usage port 80 for http, port 110 for pop3 and port25 for stmp. they could , theoreticly block bittorrent or any thing they want to completely. And Dangerous Dave, keep on sticking up for Telecom yeah, they'll bend over backwards to help us all get better broadband...............not!!!	Barnzy (6015)
404424	2005-11-18 01:02:00	It runs on the same internet account they just inspect the TCP/IP header and if it's a VOIP packet then they don't charge you for it . You can't accuse him of ripping them off . I merely suggested that he was trying to rip them off . :D It was quite clear from the tone of his first two posting that he considered all data to be the same . . . He was trying to use the prioritised, uncharged, channel intended for VOIP use to transfer huge data files . It seems that they know what they are doing . ;) The data use is added to his account . I would guess that any (non-VOIP) data packets won't get the priority either, so if they have a separate "gateway" for VOIP, all he is doing is cluttering that port with traffic it shouldn't be handling . No advantage to him; but a disadvantage to Woosh and people trying to use the system properly . There are arguments that Telecom are spoiling the Internet . It's greedy individuals who spoil things for everyone .	Graham L (2)
404425	2005-11-18 01:38:00	Ghaham, you assume a lot and you seem to have very little understanding of the subject. Let me try and explain this to you. The Gateway (this is the term Woosh uses) is a router that my wireless connection to woosh passes through to seperate voip from other data. It has a plug on it that I plug my household phone system into, I am not connected to Telecom. The Gateway (router) has an ethernet port which I then plug into my ethernet card which, in turn, allows programs on my computer to access the internet How much data I choose to download is controlled by a data cap, in my case 3 gig. You say: "It was quite clear from the tone of his first two posting that he considered all data to be the same ..." Here's how it works, it's digital, it's all 1s & 0s, it is the same. You say: "He was trying to use the prioritised, uncharged, channel intended for VOIP use to transfer huge data files." To do that I would have to change the header of every single packet to make the system think I was making a telephone call. If I did that the traffic would just get dumped onto the phone system then be dumped as junk data. You say: "The data use is added to his account. I would guess that any (non-VOIP) data packets won't get the priority either, so if they have a separate "gateway" for VOIP, all he is doing is cluttering that port with traffic it shouldn't be handling." You seem to know nothing about port fowarding, this allows the "internet" to see your computer through a router or firewall. Any attempt to use the port used for voip would be blocked as that port is reserved by the gateway. You say "No advantage to him; but a disadvantage to Woosh and people trying to use the system properly." No disadvantage to anybody. The exchange of files is what the internet was invented for. I can only assume that you think the "proper" use of the systen is to bandy about accusations based on nothing but your assumtions. You say: "There are arguments that Telecom are spoiling the Internet. It's greedy individuals who spoil things for everyone." Were you referring to Theresa Gattung? Get off you high horse and go away and get some knowledge of the subject before you annoy, not only me but other members of this forum.	Barnzy (6015)
404426	2005-11-18 01:54:00	:D	Graham L (2)
404427	2005-11-18 03:30:00	haha	DangerousDave (697)
404428	2005-11-18 16:31:00	Most ISPs limit Bittorrent, this is because it is slowly strangling the internet. I should also point out that the idea of bittorrent is to share. Cohen doesn't care that you have a cap, he is interested in people giving back some of the bandwidth they take rather than leeching. Impossible to limit unless you stick to one port that the are shaping or they are shaping everything. Most clients can change ports at will and simply by-passes the usual ports. You can choose any you like.	Big John (551)
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