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| 409674 | 2005-12-12 18:23:00 | Well, I wouldn't expect everyone to agree with me, Im not telling you that your views are rubbish( I would do that with far more venom), just giving my take on the subject, For what its worth I cringe every time a customer starts mentioning ramping up the gear, and they get the short shift when they bring it back. (little hint here people, dont mention to the retailer that your going to OC the gear, there are a certain number in each batch that will die from the process, this is why they are rated lower, even if most can run fine at a higher clockspeed) Anyhow, where was I, ah nevermind, Im over it. Well I have to debate shortening life span. You do realise how AMD and Intel make processors?. They don't actually make a 3000,3200,3500 etc, they make one top core and mark them down. It used to be they would mark them down with failures via testing, however with manufacturing techniques what they are today, nearly all the processors pass at there top rating, however for marketing purposes they mark most down to match supply needs. It costs no more money to make a 3800 apposed to a 3200. This is why after Overclocking a 3200, it runs at similar temperatures as an official 3800. This is a slightly bad example as the 3800 was later officially released with a newer core with more cache (no great advantage), but the principle still stands. Mind due the 3200 was also rereleased with a newer core but stil less cahce. You have to achieve the overclock with HTT opposed to multiplier. The result is a 3200 that will run within a few degrees as a official 3800 and a few percent of its performance for a lot less cost. The loss in life span is probably extremely minimal, certainly debatably but I would imagine something like 5 years to 4 , who cares as its a heap of junk in 4 years for a gamer. This thread is talking about a high end gaming system, he wants to run BF2 well on a budget. |
Battleneter (60) | ||
| 409675 | 2005-12-12 20:36:00 | Technically a processor coming out of the production line is tested for the highest clock speed allowed for stability . The same batch of processors with the exactly same design and structure may be marked for different clock speeds because of the difference in thermal characteristics that cannot be totally controlled or reproduced in the manufacturing process . And I don't think anyone should never overclock but what is the first thing you see in a lot of posts regarding problems? Turn off the overclocking . If you know what you are doing, fine, but it is possible to get it wrong . I have seen the results of badly done over-overclocking . And thats why cooling is so important as well . Its still a boy racer thing . Start with your ordinary car or PC and hot rod it . Actual age has nothing to do with it . I have overclocked mine, just to see but I don't have it permanently overclocked . Haven't had a game yet that is struggling with what I am using . And if I did, I'd probably just go out and upgrade again anyway . . . I've had a couple of customers this month both buying the top end stuff . For gaming . FX-57s etc . Guess they could have overclocked but going by their occupations I think neither of them needed to . And as for the 80s - people have always overclocked, its not a 90's or 2000's thing . . . |
pctek (84) | ||
| 409676 | 2005-12-12 20:41:00 | I thought they only limited a faster processor when they couldn't manufacture enough of the slower ones to meet demand? At what point in the life of the processor between when it first comes out & it is no longer manufactured do they start using a speed limited newer processor instead of the origional design? | Greven (91) | ||
| 409677 | 2005-12-12 21:00:00 | Well I have to debate shortening life span . You do realise how AMD and Intel make processors? . They don't actually make a 3000,3200,3500 etc, they make one top core and mark them down . It used to be they would mark them down with failures via testing, however with manufacturing techniques what they are today, nearly all the processors pass at there top rating, however for marketing purposes they mark most down to match supply needs . It costs no more money to make a 3800 apposed to a 3200 . This is why after Overclocking a 3200, it runs at similar temperatures as an official 3800 . This is a slightly bad example as the 3800 was later officially released with a newer core with more cache (no great advantage), but the principle still stands . Mind due the 3200 was also rereleased with a newer core but stil less cahce . You have to achieve the overclock with HTT opposed to multiplier . The result is a 3200 that will run within a few degrees as a official 3800 and a few percent of its performance for a lot less cost . The loss in life span is probably extremely minimal, certainly debatably but I would imagine something like 5 years to 4 , who cares as its a heap of junk in 4 years for a gamer . This thread is talking about a high end gaming system, he wants to run BF2 well on a budget . Nice one, From now on try not to presume that people who don't agree with you are simply lacking your knowledge . Thats a good lad . |
Metla (12) | ||
| 409678 | 2005-12-12 22:17:00 | The key to this argument is "money" and best value. On an unlimited budget overclocking is a mute point.I guess the keyword here is unlimited, how many average customers have an unlimited budget? And average does not mean gamer, average in this sense is the office worker, or the 50+ year old etc who use a computer to stay in touch, or to play online poker etc. Gamers are in a whole league of there own so therefore require different specs and shop differently |
Myth (110) | ||
| 409679 | 2005-12-12 22:26:00 | Nice one, From now on try not to presume that people who don't agree with you are simply lacking your knowledge. Thats a good lad.Debates are good, patronising comments are not ... | Jen (38) | ||
| 409680 | 2005-12-12 22:27:00 | PS I am 34 years old you idiot, just because you don't have a clue and stuck in the 80's.... and name calling doesn't help anyone either. | Jen (38) | ||
| 409681 | 2005-12-12 22:52:00 | ... and name calling doesn't help anyone either. You are weilding a heavy stick today Jen. For gods sake lighten up a bit otherwise you will squeeze out the little bit of life that this forum has left. It is turning into a boring sanitized version of what used to be a forum with life, passion and emotion. |
Safari (3993) | ||
| 409682 | 2005-12-12 23:36:00 | Debates are good, patronising comments are not ... When Chuck Norris jumps into a body of water, he doesn't get wet. The water gets Chuck Norris instead. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 409683 | 2005-12-13 00:12:00 | When Chuck Norris jumps into a body of water, he doesn't get wet. The water gets Chuck Norris instead.LMAO Just like the day you joined, you didnt become a member of the forum, the forum became a member of you :p |
Myth (110) | ||
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