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409664	2005-12-12 01:45:00	......I would consider bringing in the video card yourself from the States...... http://www.newegg.com I have been looking around, and can not find any US places that will ship to NZ. I can't seem to find any info on newegg, does that ship to NZ ? As far as I am aware, it doesn't. [Edit]Ok, newegg does not ship internationally. Anyone know some good US places that do?	mejobloggs (264)
409665	2005-12-12 04:16:00	I have been looking around, and can not find any US places that will ship to NZ. I can't seem to find any info on newegg, does that ship to NZ ? As far as I am aware, it doesn't. [Edit]Ok, newegg does not ship internationally. Anyone know some good US places that do? I know newegg say they don't on there site, but others have posted here they do (and they have done so). I actually brought in a 6800GT off Ebay a while back with no problems.	Battleneter (60)
409666	2005-12-12 04:21:00	Negatives: It can make your system unstable. It can increase the heat. It shortens its lifespan. Positives: How long do you keep a CPU for anyway? But I'm with Rob99 - just buy a 3800.... lol thanks old school guy, as I play FEAR, Doom4 and others with no problems at all Ill take my chances. And if my $220 chip lasts only 3 years instead of 5 , who cares. It will be replaced in one anyway. And BTW, find out how CPU's are made and rated, you may then appreciate why overclocking is no big problem.	Battleneter (60)
409667	2005-12-12 06:16:00	I'd go along with Battleneter. Overclocking Athlons is fairly safe, they also run cooler than others. It's fairly easy to o/clock them through the bios and some newer mother boards with Nvidea N4 you can o/clock them direct from Windows. I don't do gaming on my comp, but do a lot of other intensive stuff like video work and my 3000+ o/c'd runs just fine. It's also my understanding that for gaming a better video card is preferred, so maybe you should look at a slightly less expensive CPU, o/c it and put the money that you save to a nice video card.	Shortcircuit (1666)
409668	2005-12-12 06:23:00	lol thanks old school guy, as I play FEAR, Doom4 and others with no problems at all Ill take my chances. And if my $220 chip lasts only 3 years instead of 5 , who cares. It will be replaced in one anyway. And BTW, find out how CPU's are made and rated, you may then appreciate why overclocking is no big problem. Good for you. Not everyone can afford to or wants to replace their CPU that often. Why don't you go and give your advice on somewhere like overclockers forum or gameplantes. This forum is generally for the average user not the PC boy racers.	pctek (84)
409669	2005-12-12 06:31:00	I'd go along with Battleneter . Overclocking Athlons is fairly safe, they also run cooler than others . It's fairly easy to o/clock them through the bios and some newer mother boards with Nvidea N4 you can o/clock them direct from Windows . I don't do gaming on my comp, but do a lot of other intensive stuff like video work and my 3000+ o/c'd runs just fine . It's also my understanding that for gaming a better video card is preferred, so maybe you should look at a slightly less expensive CPU, o/c it and put the money that you save to a nice video card . Well said, 100% agree . A overclocked AMD64 3200 (to 3800) with a 6800GS/Gt card will slaughter a AMD64 3800 (real) with a 6600GT video card in all games . Even a AMD64 3000 with a 6800GT/GS will still slaughter a 3800+ with a 6600GT, as the 6600GT is the huge bottleneck not the processor (V8 with 2 speed gear box) . The AMD 64's overclock very well even on factory cooling, as long as case airflow is decent, and stability is barely any type of concern if done correctly (and its fairly simple) .	Battleneter (60)
409670	2005-12-12 06:43:00	Good for you. Not everyone can afford to or wants to replace their CPU that often. Why don't you go and give your advice on somewhere like overclockers forum or gameplantes. This forum is generally for the average user not the PC boy racers. Why don't you try giving some GOOD advice for once. He orginally posted he was to spend $2000-2500 and was buying a 6600GT and you didn't bat an eye at that. (not knocking him he was asking for help) PS I am 34 years old you idiot, just because you don't have a clue and stuck in the 80's. Dam you for making me double post again lol	Battleneter (60)
409671	2005-12-12 07:22:00	Im seriously thinking of overclocking my CPu after all this cafuffle, though my PC cranks along like a rabid money on a speed binge at default .... Anyhow, Generally I don't recomend people OC for the simple reason that if they have to ask then they don't know enough, And if they are talked into it and it goes bellyup then who is to blame? I would suggest people buy a rig that suits them, and if futher down the line they want to push it harder then go for it, Buying items specificly for overclocking should be left to those who know the ins-and-outs of doing it. You can still cook your gear and limit its lifespan drasticly by overclocking it, Proof of this is all the tales of woe on forums all over the net, and the other group of people who never get a stable system, or who have to keep on buying different hardware to reach the level they have been told they can get to... well, Its not quite as straight foward as the neter above makes out. Buy a rig that suits.	Metla (12)
409672	2005-12-12 07:49:00	I respect, although do not agree with your overclocking position. Anyone that can build a PC "correctly" probably has the ability to easily overclock a AMD 64. The forums are also full of people that have never had any problems on mild overclocks, I feel you are out of touch on this one. Anyone with a budget whom wants a decent gaming system is always going to be better off with a 6800GT/GS (or higher) from the money they will save with overclocking a AMD64 processor, opposed to buying a very ordinary 6600GT video card and an officially high end clocked CPU. The key to this argument is "money" and best value. On an unlimited budget overclocking is a mute point. My machine right this moment....... (AMD 64 3000 Venice running at 33C @ 2.62 gig (800MHZ overclock) which is above 3800+ on standard AMD air cooled fan). Not exactly cooking is it?	Battleneter (60)
409673	2005-12-12 08:28:00	Well, I wouldn't expect everyone to agree with me, Im not telling you that your views are rubbish( I would do that with far more venom), just giving my take on the subject, For what its worth I cringe everytime a customer starts mentioning ramping up the gear, and they get the short shift when they bring it back. (little hint here people, dont mention to the retailer that your going to OC the gear, there are a certain number in each batch that will die from the process, this is why they are rated lower, even if most can run fine at a higher clockspeed) Anyhow, where was I, ah nevermind, Im over it.	Metla (12)
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