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Thread ID: 64401 2005-12-13 22:52:00 Something's Changed here on F1 SurferJoe46 (51) Press F1
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412494 2005-12-14 17:35:00 I guess you can replace your usual "Home" and "End" routine using the "Page up" and "Page down" keys?

Cheers :)

Gads James..I love that! Simple and insightful, yet thoughtful in a kind way.

I just hate using "Page Down" on some of these posts that get 2 gadzillion responses.......kinda takes a lot of finger work that way.

...and here's the flummox: "Home" and "End" work anyplace else but here! It cannot be the keyboard, unless it has a hate for F1..but that could not be the answer.

I think Metla has hacked my keys to not work here.
SurferJoe46 (51)
412495 2005-12-14 22:18:00 You could try CTRL+Home and CTRL+End - see if that works. Erayd (23)
412496 2005-12-15 00:55:00 I'm sorry if you got your knickers in a twist Joe, but I make no apologies for suggesting the most likely, simplest, possible cause . The time to look for complicated causes is when the simple ones have been eliminated .

No one else has reported this happening only on PressF1 . I can make it happen, and stop it with one keystroke . The Num Lock key . ;) (I didn't ask if the comnputer was plugged in and turned on . . . you hadn't reported a blank screen . :D)

When I aM TYPING LIKE THIS AND IT suddenly goes to upper case, I know it's finger trouble . I have bumped the Caps Lock key with the "a" . I often do it .

Does it happen in both states of the CapLock LED? The LEDs are driven from a hardware register which is updated whenever (and only when) the software status register holding the CapLock, NumLock, or Scroll Lock status is changed .

The LED and the mode bit don't change because the key is pressed; they are changed by CPU code (BIOS) which is called when the key is pressed .

This is all done in the main processor box . The keyboard only sends codes when keys are pressed (and released) and receives a byte which is latched to turn the LEDs on or off . It doesn't know or care what the keys, or LEDs "mean" . It's possible for software to change the LED states, without affecting the status bits they are supposed to indicate . It does seem a bit too "tame" for a virus writer to bother with . :cool:

There used to be a lot of DOS programmes around with names like LEDS . COM which used the keyboard LEDs to indicate some of the status bits of internal modems . There's a Linux command setleds (theta . uta . edu/linux/man/index . php?query=setleds&type=2&section=1&print=1) which sets the LEDs from the keyboard, and can change the mode bits too . The code is trivial . You can do it with DEBUG . ;)
Graham L (2)
412497 2005-12-15 01:34:00 I'm sorry if you got your knickers in a twist Joe, but I make no apologies for suggesting the most likely, simplest, possible cause . The time to look for complicated causes is when the simple ones have been eliminated .

No one else has reported this happening only on PressF1 . I can make it happen, and stop it with one keystroke . The Num Lock key . ;) (I didn't ask if the comnputer was plugged in and turned on . . . you hadn't reported a blank screen . :D)

When I aM TYPING LIKE THIS AND IT suddenly goes to upper case, I know it's finger trouble . I have bumped the Caps Lock key with the "a" . I often do it .

Does it happen in both states of the CapLock LED? The LEDs are driven from a hardware register which is updated whenever (and only when) the software status register holding the CapLock, NumLock, or Scroll Lock status is changed .

The LED and the mode bit don't change because the key is pressed; they are changed by CPU code (BIOS) which is called when the key is pressed .

This is all done in the main processor box . The keyboard only sends codes when keys are pressed (and released) and receives a byte which is latched to turn the LEDs on or off . It doesn't know or care what the keys, or LEDs "mean" . It's possible for software to change the LED states, without affecting the status bits they are supposed to indicate . It does seem a bit too "tame" for a virus writer to bother with . :cool:

There used to be a lot of DOS programmes around with names like LEDS . COM which used the keyboard LEDs to indicate some of the status bits of internal modems . There's a Linux command setleds (theta . uta . edu/linux/man/index . php?query=setleds&type=2&section=1&print=1) which sets the LEDs from the keyboard, and can change the mode bits too . The code is trivial . You can do it with DEBUG . ;)


Thanks . . but you never knot my knickers . . whatever THEY are!

I was just pulling your tail with my reply . . that's all . . . and I mean it ever-so-lovingly!

Right after I drink about 9 more cups of coffee I am gonna read your answer to try to figger it out . . . but it looks good to me from where I am sitting .

(maybe coffe is not the beverage of choise . . . perhaps a nice single-malted Scotch is better . . . lots of them)

Anyway . . somebody (I can't scroll up the way I want to at the moment for some silly reason) suggested I use the ALT key or something . . It works!

Now . . what's that mean?

Besides, I am waiting for Metla to send me the drivers for the HOME & END keys again . . . . . . . . the ones he hacked! lol :cool:
SurferJoe46 (51)
412498 2005-12-15 02:29:00 hi, i was just reading this post and having crazy ideas about what i could do as a web designer if I had control of your home/pageup end/pagedown buttons >:D

ps. i think we need an evil smiley :)
Mary (6534)
412499 2005-12-15 05:54:00 In support of the principle of going from simple to complex I would go back to bob_doe_nz's suggestion of....

try another keyboard

or another computer. :D
mark c (247)
412500 2005-12-15 06:34:00 In support of the principle of going from simple to complex I would go back to bob_doe_nz's suggestion of....

try another keyboard

or another computer. :D

Plugged this keyboard into an older Dell 500 and it works fine..END & HOME too...but then again when on here (F1), it won't either....

and another keyboard is not the answer either.....it ONLY fails to END & HOME on this site...all others it works just fine...must be a shift in the time/space continuim..I think...or gremlins or the 220volt NZ v 110volt US problem again....

I still want a HOME & END key driver..Googled it and there aren't any..... :D
SurferJoe46 (51)
412501 2005-12-15 06:47:00 This happens only in firefox?
Tried another browser?
bob_doe_nz (92)
412502 2005-12-15 06:52:00 Get a scroll mouse, at least you can give your middle finger some exercise, which does come in useful for when you are driving. :p EX-WESTY (221)
412503 2005-12-15 09:17:00 Get a scroll mouse, at least you can give your middle finger some exercise, which does come in useful for when you are driving. :p
... and when it comes to scolding / insulting people using sign language... :D :p

Cheers :)
Renmoo (66)
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