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Thread ID: 137872	2014-08-31 08:34:00	Hungry Kids	mzee (3324)	PC World Chat

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1382923	2014-09-06 04:59:00	I think also it's not just about just working anymore. Need a long term work path strategy. It helps to work to build a career to at least mid level, or own a business, asset, or partnership. More likely to bring income near or at retirement. I have come across people who have worked over 25 - 30 years in varying trades, but end up with nothing substantial. If a semi skilled worker (particularly without any management skills) - no matter how experienced - employers will always asses you as a worker. Heard that from people when applying for another job. Back to where they started, with less pay, longer/twilight hours, multi-tasking, etc. Difficult at times when laid off, then apply for another job, since up against 100's of younger less experienced candidates - which all the company may need. Too good/experienced a worker you risk becoming a threat (e.g to a supervisor/floor manager) if applying for a job. I know of workers (e.g. mechanic, builder, plasterer) ending up working for younger managers - whom they (the worker) once trained several years ago. Working class families may struggle here, along with their kids, unless the parents up-skill. Read in our local courier where a middle age Island lady, a cleaner, struggling with kids, studied part time for 8 years, graduated phd in healthcare got a good job in health. Certainly raised the bar for her family.	kahawai chaser (3545)
1382924	2014-09-06 05:16:00	True, not all pensioners are poor just as all kids are not starving. True some have lived dissipated lives or have hurt many people in their career. But so many others have raised, fed and clothed their families on not much more than the minimum wage. They've helped those kids to buy homes and other necessities in the difficult days of setting up a family home for themselves and the grandkids. So they don't have much left, not because they were greedy but because they spent what they had for the sake of their kids, unlike others who would rather see their kids starve than miss their pub time or their supply of rolling green. And then, with their brains bent out of shape, beat and abuse and sometimes kill those same starving kids. Meanwhile, the little old 87 year-old misses seeing the doctor, doesn't collect her prescriptions because she can't afford the $5 charge, makes do with one meal a day and spends that day in bed to keep warm. The last new outfit she bought was 20 years ago. And who is advocating for her? Winston come closest but what use is free travel on a super gold card if you can't afford a cup of tea when you get there? I say again, not all old people are poor just as all kids are not starving. But the country is full of people advocating for the kids but not a word is spoken about the aged poor.	Blue Druid (4480)
1382925	2014-09-06 09:00:00	True, not all pensioners are poor just as all kids are not starving. True some have lived dissipated lives or have hurt many people in their career. But so many others have raised, fed and clothed their families on not much more than the minimum wage. They've helped those kids to buy homes and other necessities in the difficult days of setting up a family home for themselves and the grandkids. So they don't have much left, not because they were greedy but because they spent what they had for the sake of their kids, unlike others who would rather see their kids starve than miss their pub time or their supply of rolling green. And then, with their brains bent out of shape, beat and abuse and sometimes kill those same starving kids. Meanwhile, the little old 87 year-old misses seeing the doctor, doesn't collect her prescriptions because she can't afford the $5 charge, makes do with one meal a day and spends that day in bed to keep warm. The last new outfit she bought was 20 years ago. And who is advocating for her? Winston come closest but what use is free travel on a super gold card if you can't afford a cup of tea when you get there? I say again, not all old people are poor just as all kids are not starving. But the country is full of people advocating for the kids but not a word is spoken about the aged poor.it would seem like the children need to step up and return the favour then. I certainly wouldn't let any parent of mine go without a cup of tea or prescription . That borders on elder abuse.	plod (107)
1382926	2014-09-06 09:00:00	.	plod (107)
1382927	2014-09-06 09:42:00	Agreed, Plod. Sadly, so often the kids so often are so preoccupied with their own kids dancing lessons, sports, school trips, etc. that they have no idea that their elders are living in penury. And the old folks are too proud to tell them. When the occasional duty visit occurs, the youngsters have no notion of what to look for. They exchange polite pleasantries and tell grandma how little Johnny is off on a school trip to Japan and little Mary is off to boarding school next year. Grandma spent the last of her fortnight's pension to buy a packet of biscuits to entertain them. That same grandma is conscientiously saving $5 a fortnight to help pay for her funeral when she goes so as not to be a burden on her kids. She knows it's not much but it's the best she can do. I believe that what is missing to create both situations (starving kids and poor pensioners) is love within the family. No one looks after people who they don't love. And no magical political measures or tossing of money at the problem will instil love in the hearts of people who have never known love. The money and the measures will vanish down the same deep hole as always and the problem will not only remain but will get worse as the population ages.	Blue Druid (4480)
1382928	2014-09-06 23:40:00	Agreed, Plod. Sadly, so often the kids so often are so preoccupied with their own kids dancing lessons, sports, school trips, etc. that they have no idea that their elders are living in penury. And the old folks are too proud to tell them. When the occasional duty visit occurs, the youngsters have no notion of what to look for. They exchange polite pleasantries and tell grandma how little Johnny is off on a school trip to Japan and little Mary is off to boarding school next year. Grandma spent the last of her fortnight's pension to buy a packet of biscuits to entertain them. That same grandma is conscientiously saving $5 a fortnight to help pay for her funeral when she goes so as not to be a burden on her kids. She knows it's not much but it's the best she can do. I believe that what is missing to create both situations (starving kids and poor pensioners) is love within the family. No one looks after people who they don't love. And no magical political measures or tossing of money at the problem will instil love in the hearts of people who have never known love. The money and the measures will vanish down the same deep hole as always and the problem will not only remain but will get worse as the population ages. Damn Druid, this hit right in the feels.....	DeSade (984)
1382929	2014-09-07 00:58:00	Damn Druid, this hit right in the feels..... Drinking already? Cheers	plod (107)
1382930	2014-09-07 03:21:00	That same grandma is conscientiously saving $5 a fortnight to help pay for her funeral when she goes so as not to be a burden on her kids. She knows it's not much but it's the best she can do. . Oh really. Actually my mum is 82. She does not save anything, she's already said she has no idea how I will bury her. Husband is 66. He's solved that issue by (along with me) donating his corpse to Akld Med School.	pctek (84)
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