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Thread ID: 65010	2006-01-04 09:45:00	Are integrated graphics better than PCI?	RusEvo (3572)	Press F1

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418227	2006-01-04 10:31:00	So sorry :( I got confused with PCI cards. Cos now they have PCI-X the old one is AGP, I got AGP mucked up with PCI. Ok, .. what to do is search under tradme for something like "pci nvidia" or "pci ati". I say spend less than $75 on it or under $50 for it. I have not checked the prices so thats a guestimate. You won't be able to get nvidia 4000 and 5000 cards. Perhaps a cut down version like a FX5200 which does not have a GPU fan but does have a heatsink. Yeah value question .. I arn't sure now. Personally buy a cheap card and make do or else spend $400 or $500 incl case for a new one. Thats a Sempron or Celeron and then buy a game card, or other than that spend an extra $300 for get a 3.2ghz AMD Athlon 64 or Intel P4. 512MB Ram for those $$ but you can upgrade that too.. Pull the other stuff in ur dell and throw them over to the new case .. like ur PCI cards for example.	Nomad (952)
418228	2006-01-04 11:10:00	Yeah its not so good with PCI cards. Skip it. If the Dell case is ATX why not just buy a new motherboard under $100. Use ur current CPU and stuff... then get a used nvidia 4k or 5k model card on trademe, $100 or less. If you wanna new PC the prices I gave ur above take off $100 cos u already have a HD, I forgot again. The new mobo will have 3 pci and 1 agp. A few of the cheap ones maybe a bit more than $100 have PCI-X as well. Then for the cards either u can get $100 ones or the current more expensive ones .. up to you. Get the right socket so it fits ur current cpu.	Nomad (952)
418229	2006-01-04 21:53:00	I have a laptop P3 with AGP builtin graphics from 2001. Its a ultraportable so that is even a bit more slower than a std laptop in tech race. So a PC would either have PCI graphics in 2000 or earlier. I say forget about PCI. Yeah PCI is better than onboard but IMO not worth it. If you must then maybe a used $50 one. Or else, I say, get a new motherboard and just swap that into your Dell, keep your other parts. Less than $100 you should be able to get one with 3 PCI and 1 AGP 8x port. I have researched for AMD b4 and prob for Intel as well that if you spend a tad more maybe $15-30 or such you get a motherboard that has 3 PCI at least and 1 PCI-X slot. So that may appeal to you as well. Only main issue was the latter didn't do RAID or SATA from the ones I saw, the first did have it but didn't do PCI-X. Not a biggie, and since u don't have a new comptuer does not reallly matter, and the slots are not yet a bottleneck, u'll get more performance if you conc on the chipset of the g-card. Or else spend $400 on a cheap system without HD or maybe $300 without the case/psu but Dell's may be propriatary. Or else spend $600-700 for a more avg system. G-card extra. Retire the old PC to a work computer or a student computer or a visitors computer. These are the restricted motherboards brand names provide. I like brandnames for laptops but I build my own PCs. FWIW, I would get a cheap motherboard maybe just a AGP one and live with that, your cpu is still v workable, a mate bought a 2.4ghz Intel P4 2yr ago, bro got a AMD Sempron 2.5Ghz just before Christmas. They both don't play games thou and both have builtin graphics. Not sure about my mate but my bro has an 8x AGP port as option. Onboard vid can be diabled via bios. AGP solution is get a vid card $70-400. This is from a Geforce 4000 to a current 6800Gt. For PCI-X $250+ thats a Geforce 6600GT or higher. Don't bother with buying external modem just to make room. Save the money and just put it towards a cheap motherboard and you get AGP or PCI-X.	Nomad (952)
418230	2006-01-04 22:03:00	So sorry :( I got confused with PCI cards. Cos now they have PCI-X the old one is AGP, I got AGP mucked up with PCI. Ok, .. what to do is search under tradme for something like "pci nvidia" or "pci ati". I say spend less than $75 on it or under $50 for it. I have not checked the prices so thats a guestimate. You won't be able to get nvidia 4000 and 5000 cards. Perhaps a cut down version like a FX5200 which does not have a GPU fan but does have a heatsink. Yeah value question .. I arn't sure now.There are heaps of Nvidia MX4000 cards (PCI) on trademe at the moment, most brand new You can also get ATi 9200 (come in both PCI and AGP) as well as various other PCI cards in the 128MB + range. Though some old mobos may refuse a new graphics card (as I found out recently). Best to upgrade if you can	Myth (110)
418231	2006-01-04 23:08:00	Those PCI Nvidia MX4000 cards selling on trademe are exactly the same as what you can buy from Ascent, except ascent is $10 cheaper (I recently bought one for an older computer) Well I guess it depends on what you already have onboard... You might be downgrading if you don't watch out	Agent_24 (57)
418232	2006-01-04 23:47:00	Yup I was avoiding the MX cards. I was thinking that he would be better getting a faster card like a Ti4200 or such cards....	Nomad (952)
418233	2006-01-05 00:00:00	I don't even think the TI series cards made it into NZ in the pci format, I certainly never saw any. Anyhow, The bottleneck for PCI Video cards is the PCI slot itself, You don't gain anything by putting a grunty card in a slow slot, Which is why very few PCI cards are available with a capable chipset.	Metla (12)
418234	2006-01-05 00:11:00	Yup I was saying the Ti cards are only AGP, not in PCI therefore to the poster I think its better to get a new cheap mobo. I don't like the PCI MX cards becos... games like Splinter Cell only require a 1Ghz a Geforce 3 or higher but they don't support MX cards. Get a cheap mobo and a cheap vid card used like a GF 4 series in AGP or higher on the other hand a PCI-X mobo witha $250+ card.	Nomad (952)
418235	2006-01-05 04:02:00	an intergrated solution like the geforce 6100 or 6150 can run most games at 640x480 with low details, and have full directX 9.0c support. 20-30fps in most games. although the 6100 and 6150 are relitivly new and arent on most motherboards. be abuot on level with a midrange geforeceFX card, and they sucked at pixelshaders =D	Mirddes (10)
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