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Thread ID: 150248	2021-11-03 19:25:00	Why Some Are Disbelieving But Not Antivax.	CliveM (6007)	PC World Chat

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1481784	2021-11-04 02:53:00	I treat National, Labour, Greens in the same boat. Good or as bad as each other in power.	the_bogan (9949)
1481785	2021-11-04 03:22:00	This is a cut and paste from Kiwiblog.nz which is generally a pro vax slightly right of centre site and although written in the USA is very close to describing what has/is happening here. Why Don’t They Believe Us? Konstantin Kisin writes: problem is thats a modified version of the original. www.tabletmag.com its basically a mix of UK and USA wide range of non-covid related issues, with some bits missed out. it really doesn't apply to NZ and its basically anti-vax in itself. its anti-vax dressed up to look like "normal" then modified to address NZ issues. but one thing worth addressing is the mask usage. first of all no one here said masks don't work. however the understanding at the time was that the droplets that you breathe out that contain the virus is to big travel through the air. hence the 2m rule as those droplets fall to the ground. however that was incorrect and it took some scientists a bit of work to prove that. hence why there was a sudden change from hand washing to mandating the use of masks. it also means the 2m rule is not that big a deal. also keep in mind the supply chain of masks, there wasn't all that many available at the start. the only stockpiles was for hospitals (and nz stuffed that up). the "masks don't work" came from the anti-vax crowd. the same people who said vaccines could not be made, you all have to "live with it". but we can "protect our elderly", which the covid cases in the retirement home disprove. they wanted to let covid rip through the country to save our businesses, yet we end up with one of the best economies because we locked down and got rid of it. its the same people spouting the same antisocial nonsense. now they are trying make excuses to make them look like "disbelievers" and how its not their fault, as society turns against them.	tweak'e (69)
1481786	2021-11-04 03:28:00	2 things yep, I shudder to think what it would have been like under national . Open the boarders from day1 , before vaxs where available . We all know how that would have ended Labour have done a terrible job. Stumbling from one stuff up to another . Zero planning in advance . And its been recently leaked that labor honestly believed we wouldnt have a bad outbreak here, hence zero planning for that . Yes , covid is a no win situation for any govt, but thats not an excuse for lack of planning ahead . Not getting supplies of PPE, not getting our ICU capability ramped up, waiting 1year plus to do something about the shortages of nurses, doctors & specialists, not ordering enough vax (because they didnt think we needed it yet) , not having enough quarantine spaces : leaving many thousands of kiwis stuck overseas . They certainly havnt gotten the current Auckland outbreak under control. Hardly a great job , is it. :( yes, i don't think any govt would have done it any better. to many issues from previous govts. i'm no jacinda fan thats for sure (wasting millions on buying us new guns while people in their homes get shot at) but i can't see anyone else doing any better. covid is a unique situation thats caught a lot of countries off guard.	tweak'e (69)
1481787	2021-11-04 04:04:00	It will be interesting to look back in, say 10 years time, an see just who was right and who was wrong.	CliveM (6007)
1481788	2021-11-04 04:13:00	It will be interesting to look back in, say 10 years time, an see just who was right and who was wrong. the catch is people only remember the history they want. for eg its interesting reading some of the USA history and how much of what is commonly known today, is in fact inaccurate. no doubt that anti-vaxers will claim they where right, as many already do so. thats easy to do when you make it all up.	tweak'e (69)
1481789	2021-11-04 08:16:00	Guess all the antivaxers are going to be screwed. When someone gives Blood are they going to have to confirm they have had the vaccine ?? If not - just tell any antivaxer that the blood products they are receiving contains the Covid vaccine. With 90% ( aiming for) of the population being vaccinated their option to get a vaccine free person is very slim :D What a shame ;)	wainuitech (129)
1481790	2021-11-04 18:11:00	Konstantin Kisin writes: But the country’s chief medical experts tell you not to wear masks, and to focus on washing your hands instead. And the credibility of the whole article ends right there. What Country's Chief Medical Experts tell us not to wear masks, and to focus on washing your hands instead?	B.M. (505)
1481791	2021-11-04 18:29:00	And the credibility of the whole article ends right there. What Country's Chief Medical Experts tell us not to wear masks, and to focus on washing your hands instead? Read the whole thing BM. It is disingenuous to pick out one little bit and then quote that out of context. And if you are loosing your memory our NZ experts claimed exactly that anyway.	CliveM (6007)
1481792	2021-11-04 19:23:00	And if you are loosing your memory our NZ experts claimed exactly that anyway. Name them.	B.M. (505)
1481793	2021-11-04 19:47:00	for eg its interesting reading some of the USA history and how much of what is commonly known today, is in fact inaccurate. . That's been true of all of history. Things said about Nero. The Neathanderthal. All sorts...winners write history. The US make movies about WWII events and attribute things the Uk did to themselves. Etc.	piroska (17583)
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