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1398962	2015-04-30 23:36:00	cheap gamer 1 x Kingston SSDNow V300 SV300S37A 120GB $84.00 1 x Crucial DDR3 PC12800/1600MHz CL11 8GB $93.00 1 x ASRock H81M-HDS $79.00 1 x Gigabyte Radeon R7 260X OC HDMI DP 2xDVI 2GB $204.00 1 x Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Socket 1150 Box $98.00 1 x Thermaltake Versa H22 500W (Black) $107.00 $665 + shipping i would recommend a $100 water cooler for the cpu prior to the @$200 it would require to get a k-series-i5. even as-is it's a potent gaming machine capable of playing gta5 with plenty of upgrade potential. have a great day, have fun building	Mirddes (10)
1398963	2015-05-01 01:09:00	I would no longer recommend a dual core machine as a budget gamer unless the customer explicitly wants intel and can't afford an i5. At the low end is the only time I'd go AMD over intel for gaming as you can get a fairly good quad core that will come close to pentium/i3 performance for dual threaded applications and be better for anything that can use all 4 cores. The downside is much more limited upgrade options but realistically people seldom upgrade CPU's. More and more new games can use 4 cores and some will no longer even run on a dual core. For anything that only uses 2 threads the pentium is a great choice. If you can source an Athlon x4 860K it's a better option for budget gaming in my opinion or failing that an FX 4300. If you can keep the price under i5 levels an FX 6300 is another great choice. After that it becomes all intel as the budget increases.	dugimodo (138)
1398964	2015-05-01 06:55:00	I would no longer recommend a dual core machine as a budget gamer unless the customer explicitly wants intel and can't afford an i5. At the low end is the only time I'd go AMD over intel for gaming as you can get a fairly good quad core that will come close to pentium/i3 performance for dual threaded applications and be better for anything that can use all 4 cores. The downside is much more limited upgrade options but realistically people seldom upgrade CPU's. More and more new games can use 4 cores and some will no longer even run on a dual core. For anything that only uses 2 threads the pentium is a great choice. If you can source an Athlon x4 860K it's a better option for budget gaming in my opinion or failing that an FX 4300. If you can keep the price under i5 levels an FX 6300 is another great choice. After that it becomes all intel as the budget increases. 1 x Antec ISK 110 VESA 90W (Black/Silver) $124.00 1 x Kingston ValueRAM DDR3 PC12800/1600MHz CL11 4GB $48.00 1 x Kingston SSDNow V300 SV300S37A 120GB $84.00 1 x AMD Athlon 5350 2.05GHz Socket AM1 Box $78.00 Total price AlphaCity $334.00 1 x Asus AM1I-A $69.00 Total price Playtech $69.00 Total for this alternative $403.00	Mirddes (10)
1398965	2015-05-01 08:38:00	i question the power consumption of the a4-4000's in the antex ISK 110 90W i've seen some benchmarks showing the a4-4000 using more than 65W but they may have been measuring the system as a whole (idling at 41W and raising to 89W under load) should i be concerned or confident? the FM2 motherboard is better with wifi and bluetooth than the AM1 alternative. the am1/mobo+cpu costs only slightly more than the fm2mobo. am1 costs less than fm2 (who woudl have thought). ive already bought fm2/cpu and would have to flick it off somehow. i am fairly confident that it should run fine.	Mirddes (10)
1398966	2015-05-01 09:05:00	That CPU is rated at 65W TDP The Thermal Design Power (TDP) is the average maximum power a processor can dissipate while running commercially available software. TDP is primarily used as a guideline for manufacturers of thermal solutions (heatsinks/fans, etc) which tells them how much heat their solution should dissipate. TDP is not the maximum power the CPU may generate - there may be periods of time when the CPU dissipates more power than designed, in which case either the CPU temperature will rise closer to the maximum, or special CPU circuitry will activate and add idle cycles or reduce CPU frequency with the intent of reducing the amount of generated power. TDP is usually 20% - 30% lower than the CPU maximum power dissipation. Maximum power dissipation is the maximum power dissipated by the CPU under the worst conditions - at the maximum core voltage, maximum temperature and maximum signal loading conditions. Maximum Power dissipation is always higher than Thermal Design Power. Minimum power dissipation that is mentioned on many CPU pages on this site is the power dissipated by the processor when the processor is switched into one of low-power modes, usually the low power mode that offers best power-savings. Information From www.cpu-world.com (http:)	wainuitech (129)
1398967	2015-05-01 09:38:00	That CPU is rated at 65W TDP Information From www.cpu-world.com (http:) yes, it is. Is this different from the Wattage it is expected to consume under maximum load?	Mirddes (10)
1398968	2015-05-01 10:38:00	Interesting article -- Have a read of the text under the graph, comparing CPU's www.techspot.com May give a better idea of the answer- as well as the link on the bottom - Final Thoughts.	wainuitech (129)
1398969	2015-05-01 11:26:00	Interesting article -- Have a read of the text under the graph, comparing CPU's www.techspot.com May give a better idea of the answer- as well as the link on the bottom - Final Thoughts. thats the article i mentioned showing 89w it doesnt specify if that was total system draw or just the cpu. i suspect it is total system draw and the psu has enough overhead built into the design for it to never be a problem to peak at 100% load for a few minutes now and then..	Mirddes (10)
1398970	2015-05-01 18:35:00	yes, it is. Is this different from the Wattage it is expected to consume under maximum load? TDP referrers the amount of heat that the cooler will need to dissipate. Wattage under absolute maximum load should be higher than TDP.	icow (15313)
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