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1398922	2015-04-23 07:51:00	the reason for the laptop hdd was again cost, $5-10 dollars difference where only capacity matters. pricespy.co.nz NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF A 320GB DRIVE IN AN ULTRA LOW BUDGET SYSTEM ultra low budget is not $400. try halving it and see if you have what it takes.	Mirddes (10)
1398923	2015-04-23 08:33:00	the reason for the laptop hdd was again cost, $5-10 dollars difference where only capacity matters. pricespy.co.nz NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF A 320GB DRIVE IN AN ULTRA LOW BUDGET SYSTEM ultra low budget is not $400. try halving it and see if you have what it takes. Thought that looked to cheap. Exleased -- Seagate 320G SATA Internal HDD , Pull out from machine , 3 months warranty So basically second hand parts. Most ex-lease get rid of old computers because they are past their use by date / end of recommended life. Cowboy builders wont cover any warranty, or even give one. Bet you anything you like if the drive fails 3 months and 1 day later they wont cover it.	wainuitech (129)
1398924	2015-04-23 10:14:00	the warranty is with the OEM, not the builder. Each part has its own warranty, where parts are second hand they may fail soon or not for very many years. building cheap lets you attain great performance/value over time, replacing parts is to be expected maintenance of a computer. mean time between upgrades is a complex algebraic formula. failure prompts an upgrade, it always does.	Mirddes (10)
1398925	2015-04-23 10:34:00	a guarantee of awesomeness on the other hand, that's what i give with each system i build.	Mirddes (10)
1398926	2015-04-23 11:04:00	the warranty is with the OEM, not the builder. So you're saying if something fails the person who built it has nothing to do with it, and its up-to the end user who has brought it has to do a warranty claim. ? SORRY sunshine you are 100% incorrect. If you buy the parts and sell them its YOU that needs to do any warranty claim, NOT the purchaser who you sold it to. Since you are selling it, I guess you also know about the laws ? Since October 2013, computers sold or hired in New Zealand must, by law, comply with minimum energy performance standards (MEPS) requirements. I've built well over 1000 computers, (stopped counting at 900 11 years ago), been running my own business for over 12 years and I can tell you now if something fails its the purchaser of the parts ( The builder) who has to do a RMA, not the end user. Heres a question -- Lets say you built a New PC for someone, the motherboard is still within its warranty the board blows, the CPU, Memory are perfectly fine & still in warranty also. The Suppler and manufacture cant replace the board with the same socket even though its under warranty, so they offer to supply a newer one, BUT the original CPU & memory wont fit the new board, you tell the customer and they insist under the CGA YOU fix it --- What are you going to do. ?? a guarantee of awesomeness on the other hand, that's what i give with each system i build. In other words nothing, thats a load of talk and nothing more.	wainuitech (129)
1398927	2015-04-24 03:41:00	the warranty is with the OEM, not the builder. . Not under NZ law. And you get the issue where the importer/wholesaler wont honor the CGA, but you the seller has to: ie youre stuffed (been there) If you are building it for a mate, and not charging for your time & not making a profit, then maybe the CGA doesnt apply . But anyway, a budget of $400 means lots of compromises. Ive had a customer give me a $500 budget to supply a GOOD laptop suitable for graphics work: ie it needed an EXCELLENT, color perfect display/screen. Sometimes you just have to say no. Save yourself alot of hassel & get them an ex lease PC, $400 will buy a good spec ex lease. Sure, some ex lease PC's are old & crappy, not all, some are quite good (i5 desktops) .	1101 (13337)
1398928	2015-04-24 22:45:00	Not under NZ law. And you get the issue where the importer/wholesaler wont honor the CGA, but you the seller has to: ie youre stuffed (been there) If you are building it for a mate, and not charging for your time & not making a profit, then maybe the CGA doesnt apply . But anyway, a budget of $400 means lots of compromises. Ive had a customer give me a $500 budget to supply a GOOD laptop suitable for graphics work: ie it needed an EXCELLENT, color perfect display/screen. Sometimes you just have to say no. Save yourself alot of hassel & get them an ex lease PC, $400 will buy a good spec ex lease. Sure, some ex lease PC's are old & crappy, not all, some are quite good (i5 desktops) . im the builder, the stores the parts are bought from are the sellers, receipts are to be provided and warranties honored by the stores. i am an artist. the art of building computers. i am not subject to 'NZ LAW'. i am subject to the law of my heart. if someone wants a $500 laptop ill never say no, ill hand them the junk mail and tell them to buy the cheapest piece of crap and put an ssd in it. simple. some ex lease are small and thus crappy (including some i5 desktops) where as some are actually decent for upgrading. the first list of specs i offered made absolutely no compromises. each part is covered by an oem warranty, nothing is refurbished etc.	Mirddes (10)
1398929	2015-04-24 23:10:00	im the builder, the stores the parts are bought from are the sellers, receipts are to be provided and warranties honored by the stores. i am an artist. the art of building computers. i am not subject to 'NZ LAW'. i am subject to the law of my heart. if someone wants a $500 laptop ill never say no, ill hand them the junk mail and tell them to buy the cheapest piece of crap and put an ssd in it. simple. some ex lease are small and thus crappy (including some i5 desktops) where as some are actually decent for upgrading. the first list of specs i offered made absolutely no compromises. each part is covered by an oem warranty, nothing is refurbished etc.Some advice-- listen to what people who are actually in the business are saying. 1101 and myself have both advised what is law. Your own ideas i am not subject to 'NZ LAW'. i am subject to the law of my heart. is only going to get you into trouble one day. Like it or not you are not a law onto yourself. One day your thinking will get you in trouble with someone. Look at like this, if you went and brought a appliance for your house from a shop, and a month later it failed, would you go back to the place you brought it and tell them to sort it out or would you go to the manufactures overseas someplace and get them to repair/replace it. BTW, no one is questioning the spec's of the build, its the attitude towards service when something goes wrong.	wainuitech (129)
1398930	2015-04-25 09:37:00	So you're saying if something fails the person who built it has nothing to do with it, and its up-to the end user who has brought it has to do a warranty claim. ? thats not what im saying. i provide no warranty above and beyond the hardware warranty. i do provide my guarentee of awesomeness. Heres a question -- Lets say you built a New PC for someone, the motherboard is still within its warranty the board blows, the CPU, Memory are perfectly fine & still in warranty also. The Suppler and manufacture cant replace the board with the same socket even though its under warranty, so they offer to supply a newer one, BUT the original CPU & memory wont fit the new board, you tell the customer and they insist under the CGA YOU fix it --- What are you going to do. ? ? process refund for motherboard, buy replacement motherboard elsewhere/secondhand. easy question.	Mirddes (10)
1398931	2015-04-25 11:57:00	thats not what im saying . i provide no warranty above and beyond the hardware warranty . i do provide my guarentee of awesomeness . process refund for motherboard, buy replacement motherboard elsewhere/secondhand . easy question . Geees you're good for a laugh . :thanks Please explain in full details as to what this "guarentee of awesomeness . " actually covers and what it is . Second answer -- REALLY !! what say there isn't one available anywhere . If you brought second hand and the original MB has a 3 year warranty ( which most do) and the 2nd hand one fails a month later its still going to cost you to replace it . The warranty period lasts the full term from the original . i am an artist . the art of building computers Its not exactly hard, 15 minutes to build one, then what ever software is installed . I've built 12 in the last fortnight .	wainuitech (129)
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