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Thread ID: 138298	2014-11-05 22:15:00	When is enough enough?	Zippity (58)	PC World Chat

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1387740	2014-11-06 03:31:00	People are lost under the sea, on mountains, sometimes whole, sometimes in bits. Why the need to retrieve it all? ' Someone elses father/son/brother has to go risk themselves to do it. Don't see the families volunteering. Why not just build a memorial there instead....it's about mourning anyway, not the remains.	pctek (84)
1387741	2014-11-06 03:47:00	LINK (www.3news.co.nz) [I]Official Information Act (OIA) documents obtained by Campbell Live today reveal the Pike River Mine has been safe to enter for nearly a year now, .... That is BS. The mine is not safe, otherwise we could all just wander in as is. The second explosion showed how unsafe it was , that could have killed the whole rescue team if they were allowed in early on. All this talk is all the same 'she'll be right ' attitude that caused the disaster in the 1st place. Those miners died because of a dodgy mine & a unsafe environment . Lets learn nothing & repeat past mistakes. Just because people are willing to go in does not make it safe. 1 failed resperator/regulator/air hose etc = 1 death on the recovery team. Now thats hardly safe is it The families should never have been strung along. Someone needed to have the balls to simply say no from day1.	1101 (13337)
1387742	2014-11-06 05:03:00	The second explosion showed how unsafe it was , that could have killed the whole rescue team if they were allowed in early on. Thats a fair enough statement, but that was only days after the first one. Time Line: First Explosion ---19 November 2010 The initial explosion damaged the mine's gas drainage line, causing methane gas to begin accumulating in the mine immediately. Second ------24 November 2010 Third ----- 26 November 2010 Forth ----- 28 November 2010 2010 - 2014 -- Nothing. Now 4 years later, and a report that was out last year saying it was safe and they simply put it in the to hard basket and walk away.:groan: Anyone going in wouldn't be stupid, all the safety precautions would be taken. With today's technology even robots could lead the way.	wainuitech (129)
1387743	2014-11-06 06:11:00	Partly to blame are the government ministers of both major parties who closed the mines safety inspectorate and put it all under the umbrella of Osh, when clearly mines are such a dangerous place to work they need specialist safety officers not general lackeys.	gary67 (56)
1387744	2014-11-06 08:05:00	The bodies have now spent years in an environment that is likely very warm and damp. It's likely the bodies have been ravaged by their internal flora of micro-organisms and parasites. If that's the case, then recovery would be a highly distressing and messy experience for those that witness it. I do however share the suspicion that all the obstructions to recovery have been an effort to prevent the revelation of how poorly the mine was maintained, and to dodge further costs in terms of fines, compensation and lengthy court proceedings. A private enterprise would have been dragged over the coals in a merciless pursuit of liability. Different story when it's money from the states coffers at risk instead and various Govt departments sharing some of the liability of due care.	Paul.Cov (425)
1387745	2014-11-06 08:07:00	That is BS . The mine is not safe, otherwise we could all just wander in as is . The second explosion showed how unsafe it was , that could have killed the whole rescue team if they were allowed in early on . All this talk is all the same 'she'll be right ' attitude that caused the disaster in the 1st place . Those miners died because of a dodgy mine & a unsafe environment . Lets learn nothing & repeat past mistakes . Just because people are willing to go in does not make it safe . 1 failed resperator/regulator/air hose etc = 1 death on the recovery team . Now thats hardly safe is it The families should never have been strung along . Someone needed to have the balls to simply say no from day1 . I’m sorry 1101 but you are either showing total ignorance or naivety . That mine is as safe as they get for experienced people and consultants are on record as having said that . As far as saving any miners, that had to be done within hours of the first explosion and this is recognised within the industry . However, to deal with the present situation I would suggest the following . The mine should be put out to international tender, as is, with the proviso that a representative of the families of the dead miners should have escorted access to the mine by arrangement to ensure that the recovery of the bodies is a priority . After all, the government has no problem selling the rest of New Zealand and I’m sure a mine with quality coal like Pike River would attract worthwhile bids from companies like Rio Tinto or any of a number of Chinese Companies along with numerous others . My bet is within week’s they would be in the mine and probably recovered several bodies . ;) This business of turning the mine into a memorial and conservation area is just a cunning way to ensure the evidence remains buried . :mad:	B.M. (505)
1387746	2014-11-07 17:07:00	If you are so adamant that the mine is safe, why don't you volunteer to enter it?	Zippity (58)
1387747	2014-11-07 19:06:00	If you are so adamant that the mine is safe, why don't you volunteer to enter it? No problem, you organize it. And I'm sure there are any number of miners that would be happy to accompany me. Remember the Mine Rescue Team wanted to enter straight away after the initial explosion, because they knew that was the safest time, but were stopped by the Police. Getting people who know the odds to volunteer to enter the mine is not the problem. What they find is the problem. ;)	B.M. (505)
1387748	2014-11-07 20:40:00	Yet another twist (www.scoop.co.nz) National’s sordid backroom deal A letter sent in October 2013 from Pike River Coal chief executive Peter Whittall’s lawyer, to the Ministry for Business, Innovation and Employment, shows that the ministry’s decision to drop 12 health and safety charges against Whittall was the result of a back room deal with the company. Whittall was the only individual charged over the November 2010 mine explosion that killed 29 men. The letter proposed that the former company directors would pay $3.41 million to the miners’ families if the ministry agreed to “not proceed with the charges laid against Mr Whittall.” Which came to pass. On December 12, Whittall was acquitted and the so-called “voluntary” payment was announced. Several family members denounced the payment as “blood money.” Anna Osborne, whose husband Milton died at Pike River mine, told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation : “New Zealand’s justice system is an absolute joke. To find out today that $3.4 million to pay compensation to families was a condition that everything is dropped and Peter Whittall walks away scot-free is disgusting.” That acquittal meant that no one has been held accountable for the disaster, despite a Royal Commission finding in 2012 that the mine owners ignored “numerous warnings of a potential catastrophe” and its board was “distracted” by “financial and production pressures.” In July 2010, the company was found guilty of health and safety violations and ordered to pay $3.41 million in reparations—but at the time Pike River’s former directors refused to make the payment on the grounds that the company was bankrupt. Disgusting!	B.M. (505)
1387749	2014-11-07 21:41:00	Don't see the families volunteering. I think you might find that there have been family members of the miners, plus other locals who are experienced miners and are qualified in mines rescue, have said on numerous occasions that they are willing to enter the mine. You may even find that there will be an "unofficial" recovery ... a backroom deal by the locals that excludes everyone with a shiny ass and who have never been down a mine in their life.	SP8's (9836)
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