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| Thread ID: 67433 | 2006-03-27 12:59:00 | Broadband petition | eef2 (1904) | Press F1 |
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| 441275 | 2006-03-28 09:37:00 | What a cheek: They are able to offer this because of Telecom, not in spite of. I think they should all contribute to the cost of the new infrastructure instead of just sitting their whinging and behaving like parasites. Exactly. If these other ISPs really wanted to help New Zealanders (as they claim to want to do), they would join up and setup their own infrastructure. Or they would at least lobby the government to setup a competing network, as it was the government that sold telecom and NZs telecommunications infrastructure off for a song. The bottom line is that these moaning ISPs care more about making money and their bottom line. Remember that a large percentage of Telecom is now owned by your mum and pas here in New Zealand. They are a business and they are not a charity. My problem with NZs broadband offerings, is the upload speeds are far too slow. As a graphics person who does a lot of international work, the upload speeds are not fast enough for my requirements, as I need to upload GBs of data a day. |
rogerp (6864) | ||
| 441276 | 2006-03-28 10:27:00 | I can't even GET broadband, yet I'm not excactly rural (think Swanson). You learn a lot of patience with dial-up! | Mada (248) | ||
| 441277 | 2006-03-28 10:36:00 | THanks for the advice which I have acted on and sent MR Cunliffe an email wih many more reasons why he should make the right deciscion in JUNE.......or earlier... | olldaddy78 (6546) | ||
| 441278 | 2006-03-28 12:32:00 | Exactly. If these other ISPs really wanted to help New Zealanders (as they claim to want to do), they would join up and setup their own infrastructure.That's a fair point. If they collectively pooled their resources and started now (well, preferably 5 years ago, although none were visionary enough then) then perhaps we might have a serious copper competitor some time time in the reasonable future. | Greg (193) | ||
| 441279 | 2006-03-28 12:50:00 | That's a fair point. If they collectively pooled their resources and started now (well, preferably 5 years ago, although none were visionary enough then) then perhaps we might have a serious copper competitor some time time in the reasonable future. That's the point. If the goverment forces unbundling then others will be able to do this. As it is Telecom has sole rights to that bit of copper that we all paid for by paying our taxes. Therefore that bit of copper should belong to us and if we want another ISP to use it then we should be allowed to. No ISP has the money to rewire the whole of NZ to put new copper in. |
Big John (551) | ||
| 441280 | 2006-03-28 14:00:00 | No ISP has the money to rewire the whole of NZ to put new copper in.Not even if industry investment and collaboration by several ISP's contibute? Hmmm. | Greg (193) | ||
| 441281 | 2006-03-28 20:34:00 | If these other ISPs really wanted to help New Zealanders (as they claim to want to do), they would join up and setup their own infrastructure . It's not as simple as joining forces and beating the "bad guy" There is a s*%^load of wiring that needs to be done for a second network . . . along with that there are things such as resource consents blah blah blah . . . While I can understand the logic in your statement it isn't exactly best practice . . . besides once they've dug all the trenshes and laid all the cables who do you think the cost is going to fall on . . . their investors? I think not . . . we the consumers will bare most of the brunt . We have an existing network . . . what needs to be done is get it regulated properly . . . LLU is probably the best way to go . . . but the government MUST grow some BALLS and put Telecom in it's place . cheers chiefnz |
chiefnz (545) | ||
| 441282 | 2006-03-28 21:00:00 | That's the point. If the goverment forces unbundling then others will be able to do this. As it is Telecom has sole rights to that bit of copper that we all paid for by paying our taxes. Therefore that bit of copper should belong to us and if we want another ISP No ISP has the money to rewire the whole of NZ to put new copper in. The others can make deals with Telecom now - noone is stopping them. Telecom has the rights cause they paid for it - the others want the use without forking out. Even Telecom? |
pctek (84) | ||
| 441283 | 2006-03-29 03:35:00 | Remember that a large percentage of Telecom is now owned by your mum and pas here in New Zealand. I sure would like to know where you get that from because I don't believe a word of it. I think you will find that overseas investors own the greatest number of the shares. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 441284 | 2006-03-29 03:46:00 | I think you'll find far more than 60% of Telecom's shareholders live outside Australia and New Zealand, which would imply that of the remaining 40%, a fair proportion live in Australia. As for building a second network - the cost would be more than the market can bear. TelstraClear spent over $1bn building its network in Wellington, Christchurch and a wee bit of the Kapiti Coast. It proposed spending another billion on Auckland but was knocked back by the city council. That's a lot of money to wire up a relatively small area. There's also not a lot standing in the way of Telecom simply walking down the street offering discounts to those customers on the new network's path. Telecom did exactly that when TelstraSaturn as it was rolled out cable in Wellington. There's always wireless, of course, but that too has its limitations and is really a niche product at best. With a country the size of Britain or Japan and a population of only four million, we're stuck with one network. The trick is, to maximise our use of that network - something we aren't currently doing. |
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