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Thread ID: 68023 2006-04-14 12:21:00 ISP's Free National Data bonkiebonks (7249) Press F1
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446257 2006-04-14 12:21:00 To be quite frank, I do not understand the free national data policy of ISPs like Quicksilver and Worldxchange. How are national data defined? Do they have to be peered directly to the ISPs to be considered local, or are all local sites considered free? For instance, I did a traceroute to viva.net.nz and this is what I got:

Tracing route to viva.net.nz [203.167.213.240]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 3 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.68.25
2 8 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.88.86.68
3 165 ms 56 ms 59 ms 60.234.8.16
4 57 ms 73 ms 56 ms 60.234.9.4
5 60 ms 64 ms 56 ms at-0-2-1-220.akcr8.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50
.245.241]
6 62 ms 62 ms 63 ms g1-0-0-4.akpr1.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202
.52]
7 77 ms 63 ms 70 ms g1-0-0-906.u11.telstraclear.net [203.98.18.65]
8 65 ms 61 ms 65 ms jcore2-ge-0-2-0-927-acld.auckland.clix.net.nz [2
18.101.61.14]
9 64 ms 61 ms 68 ms ipgw1-fe0-0-acld.auckland.clix.net.nz [203.97.2.
245]
10 69 ms 64 ms 62 ms 203.167.219.142
11 63 ms 60 ms 58 ms radionetwork.co.nz [203.167.213.240]

Trace complete.

This is from Orcon, and I'd imagine it should be the same with Quicksilver. But my question is, because data is routed through Global-Gateway, as opposed to APE and WIX, would it still be considered free under the ISP's policy?

Thanks in advance for all your replies and comments. 		bonkiebonks (7249)
446258 2006-04-14 21:57:00 It's based on with they're peered with, usually. I think XNet has recently completed a peer uplink with ihug in ozzie(don't quote me...) so that means even some ozzie traffic is counted as national. Neongreen (6358)
446259 2006-04-14 23:01:00 It's based on with they're peered with, usually. I think XNet has recently completed a peer uplink with ihug in ozzie(don't quote me...) so that means even some ozzie traffic is counted as national.
That would be sweet if that is the case.

I think that the only 2 NZ ISPs that don't peer are Xtra & TelstraClear. 		Greven (91)
446260 2006-04-15 01:22:00 That would be sweet if that is the case.

I think that the only 2 NZ ISPs that don't peer are Xtra & TelstraClear.

I always read in articles about Xtra and TelstraClear being the sole ISPs that don't peer.

But why is it that Xtra is on the WIX's list of peering ISPs? As is TelstraClear. Check this site: wix.nzix.net

Xtra, however, is not on the APE's list.

Would this mean that CLIX is peered with WIX and APE - and to that effect, considered as part of national data for ISPs peering with APE and WIX? 		bonkiebonks (7249)
446261 2006-04-15 01:45:00 see also this on peering (www.ispmap.co.nz)

I'm pretty sure the ISP would just have the traffic counters on the edge of their network - if it routed toa local peering exchange, it is local otherwise international. I doubt whether they would bother to have more complex agreements.

In the traceroute it goes via TelstraClear so probably international. They only way to know for sure is to email your ISP or to watch the traffic counter your ISP provides. 		gibler (49)
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