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| Thread ID: 138546 | 2014-12-15 22:05:00 | Sydney Terrorist was on BAIL | Cato (6936) | PC World Chat |
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| 1390284 | 2014-12-15 22:05:00 | WTF Monis was on bail for being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife. He also faced more than 40 sexual and indecent assault charges. He had also been convicted of sending offensive letters to the families of deceased Australian soldiers. The self-styled cleric, who described himself on a website as a Shia Muslim who had converted to Sunni Islam, was said by his former lawyer to have been an isolated figure. Clearly, the question has to be asked, why the hell was this psycho on bail? It seems like a failure of the justice system. www.bbc.co.uk |
Cato (6936) | ||
| 1390285 | 2014-12-15 22:50:00 | I blame all the bleeding heart do-gooders, the Howard League for Penal Reform (50 years past its use by date), and all the other wet liberals that have afflicted the justice systems in various countries, when it comes to dealing with crims. Edit: good job the terrorist was killed, just think how the wets would have been rabbitting on about his rights, (to a fair trial) etc. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 1390286 | 2014-12-16 00:49:00 | I blame all the bleeding heart do-gooders, the Howard League for Penal Reform (50 years past its use by date), and all the other wet liberals that have afflicted the justice systems in various countries, when it comes to dealing with crims. Edit: good job the terrorist was killed, just think how the wets would have been rabbitting on about his rights, (to a fair trial) etc. Right again Terr, keep it up. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1390287 | 2014-12-16 01:19:00 | Although I agree with you about this guy it's seldom so black and white as people like to make it seem. We have a legal system geared around "innocent until proven guilty" for good reason, nobody has a crystal ball or the mind reading abilities to know ahead of time what this guy would do and whether he was guilty of any pending charges (yes I agree he almost certainly was, not the point here). All we can do is use the system we have, if you think it's flawed feel free to start campaigning for change and making useful suggestions. If we start locking people up based on things they are accused of (but not convicted for) or that we think they might do we run the very real risk of punishing innocent people for the actions of others. You'd be all over those in power if that happened as well. The way the legal system is geared is to prevent that happening and the unfortunate side effect is some guilty people go free and bad **** happens. It's a balancing act and one that's impossible to get 100% right no matter what you do. It's incredibly easy after the fact to point at something like this and ask why the guy wasn't locked up but whether you like it or not the answer is simple. He was not yet convicted for anything so under the law there was no reason for him to be. If you feel the need to blame someone for this sad event, blame the guy who did it. The same people who constantly ***** about the system going too easy on criminals and letting them wander the streets are often the ones who don't want their personal freedoms and right to privacy taken from them and get very vocal about any move to tighten up on things that would help prevent criminal activity. There is no way to fix this that everyone will be happy with. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1390288 | 2014-12-16 02:39:00 | Although I agree with you about this guy it's seldom so black and white as people like to make it seem. We have a legal system geared around "innocent until proven guilty" for good reason, nobody has a crystal ball or the mind reading abilities to know ahead of time what this guy would do and whether he was guilty of any pending charges (yes I agree he almost certainly was, not the point here). All we can do is use the system we have, if you think it's flawed feel free to start campaigning for change and making useful suggestions. If we start locking people up based on things they are accused of (but not convicted for) or that we think they might do we run the very real risk of punishing innocent people for the actions of others. You'd be all over those in power if that happened as well. The way the legal system is geared is to prevent that happening and the unfortunate side effect is some guilty people go free and bad **** happens. It's a balancing act and one that's impossible to get 100% right no matter what you do. For what it's worth many people have tried to get the bail laws and early release changed but the bleeding hearts always win so the crap like above happens. It's happened in NZ as well when people out on bail go and kill someone. Nothing will change here until some politicians family member gets killed and then they might do something but until then nothing will change.. |
paulw (1826) | ||
| 1390289 | 2014-12-16 03:56:00 | The problem is, that those who think fair play is due to people whose hobby it is ,cutting people head off, need to be a recipient of this lot idea of fun, that will focus them in the right direction. Excuse syntax, I am not going to type it again. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1390290 | 2014-12-16 04:23:00 | Syntax forgiven Ken :) |
kenj (9738) | ||
| 1390291 | 2014-12-16 05:24:00 | Seems they have a similar bunch of nut jobs over there in charge of justice as we have. | wotz (335) | ||
| 1390292 | 2014-12-16 07:15:00 | Excuse syntax, I am not going to type it again. First time I realised there is a tax on it. |
Marnie (4574) | ||
| 1390293 | 2014-12-16 10:05:00 | First time I realized there is a tax on it. :thumbs: I like it. And thank you Kenneth. |
Cicero (40) | ||
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