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Thread ID: 138506	2014-12-10 20:05:00	This is New Zealand!	bk T (215)	PC World Chat

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1389918	2014-12-12 01:17:00	Yes there is. She might have a poor mental capacity for making decisions. You say Tough - let her suffer. I prefer the Christian approach. We should treat her as if she were a member of our family - to help her in whatever way we can Most of us make poor decisions at times but we recover. The problems arise when a poor person does it. They lack the resources to recover and spiral downwards. It's also what happens when a poor person suffers a misfortune like having their car stolen (as PCtech has pointed out) I find it sad that some members of this site expect everybody else in the world to be as clever as they are... We are saying, if you want to help do so, but not try to force us to do so too.	Cicero (40)
1389919	2014-12-12 01:40:00	I'm gobsmacked that people are genuinely "OK" with not asking for help and even more-so that there are people standing up for that kind of ignorance. You can ask WINZ "Hey I'm having troubles making my repayments coz I'm paying $400 for my rent and only left with $60 a week" and they'll say "Well we can't give you any more money but you're paying a lot for rent. Here's the details of our budgetting course who can help. Here's the details of CAP (Christians Against Poverty, BBCMicro), Here's the details of your *local* XYZ where you can get food assistance. Because your car has been stolen and you've had to use other money, we can go you this emergency grant also". CAP or the Budgetting course will say "Well you're paying *way* too much in Rent, it's simply not feasible long-term time to move". But no, they'd rather just complain and say "Woe is me, I'm poor, the Govt sucks coz they're not putting me up in 5-star hotel living". I've seen first-hand people who are in *genuine* poverty, our church has donated multiple food parcels every year for the last decade and a half of me being there, we run a CAP Centre... Those people ask for help. There's a big difference between that, and those who are simply living foolish and expect a solution to be handed to them on a silver platter. Somebody living for anything more than a very short while, as a solo mum with 1 child, in a $400 house in Auckland, is the latter, not the former.	Chilling_Silence (9)
1389920	2014-12-12 02:04:00	Its nice to see a reply from someone actually doing something to help....	1101 (13337)
1389921	2014-12-12 03:40:00	Its nice to see a reply from someone actually doing something to help.... Lets hope you take the hint.	Cicero (40)
1389922	2014-12-12 04:20:00	New Zealand residents are very lucky. When I was a youngster I was unemployed for a while. I was fresh out of compulsory Military service. No job, no money, no such thing as welfare. Lived on discarded fruit for a while. I vowed at the time that I would never be unemployed again. I became self employed most of the time, and only had a job when it was both interesting and lucrative. When I came to New Zealand in 1967 I got a job in a Diesel room at Joseph Lucas in Hamilton. Got the sack because I refused to join a Union. Have only had one job since, the rest of the time I have been self employed, never been on the dole, owned a house. My three sons have their own houses (with the Bank). Stop sponging use your brain and do some work! You must budget and get your priorities right. Lucas :stare:	prefect (6291)
1389923	2014-12-12 04:25:00	They had it sorted in Tasmania way back, but no NZ had to do it differently and we are paying for it now.	prefect (6291)
1389924	2014-12-12 04:34:00	They had it sorted in Tasmania way back, but no NZ had to do it differently and we are paying for it now. Are you talking pre Van Diemen's Land ?	Cicero (40)
1389925	2014-12-12 04:40:00	Post	prefect (6291)
1389926	2014-12-12 18:07:00	You can ask WINZ "Hey I'm having troubles making my repayments coz I'm paying $400 for my rent and only left with $60 a week" and they'll say "Well we can't give you any more money but you're paying a lot for rent. Here's the details of our budgetting course who can help. . It's actually a requirement if you ask for money more than twice a year or if you ask for something like a loan off them. Budgeting teaches you to prioritise your bills and not add to them by time payments etc...but it does nothing to help if income in as good as it's getting yet bills increase. Anyway as I said, some people don't make and effort but some do, benefit or low incomes.....	pctek (84)
1389927	2014-12-12 21:06:00	Exactly, and if people won't even help themselves, how can we help them?	Chilling_Silence (9)
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