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Thread ID: 139621	2015-06-02 00:58:00	IS THIS FREE UPGRADE TO WINDOWS 10 FOR REAL	Vince (406)	Press F1

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1401802	2015-06-02 11:35:00	The offer to upgrade stops being free after a year, not that you have it free for a year then have to purchase it. Which is WHAT I meant	Speedy Gonzales (78)
1401803	2015-06-02 21:51:00	Windows 7 has everything I need, is 100% reliable, and I don't do Windows automatic updates. Very choosy when it comes to updates. Only updates I have on Auto are Anti virus and Malware. and that's your choice to stay on an operating system released in 2009 and designed 5 years before that. Some security updates can remove entire classes of vulnerabilities, personally I think its foolish to rely on AV instead of Security Updates	nmercer (3899)
1401804	2015-06-02 21:55:00	Re the Windows updates: Cheeky marketing ploy to upgrade to Pro = More $$ for MS ? can't recall the last time I heard an Android or Apple user complaining about receiving OS updates :)	nmercer (3899)
1401805	2015-06-02 22:34:00	"Windows 10 Home users will have updates from Windows Update automatically available" more gobbldy gook. Why cant they be less ambiguous with important statements. "available" : does that mean updates will auto download, autoinstall, just appear in the update list & give you the option when to install them??? Forced autoinstalling Winupdates are a serious issue, especially for notebook users . Ive seen Win trashed when users literally couldnt wait the 5-20 minutes for updates that wanted to install on shutdown. Also, its often a good idea to wait a week or 2, plenty of buggy updates have left some PC's partly unusable in the past. What about hardware driver updates via Winupdates. Ive seen that cause many issues , needing the driver reverted or re-installed. I've not seen a dodgy driver delivered over Windows Update since the XP days. Windows doesn't trash itself when users can't wait for updates to install on shutdown 4.5million PCs are already in the Windows Insiders Program. Those machines will receive the updates before you do. In the end though, most of the updates will just be security patches, patch Tuesday has had a very high success rate to date Regardless, the default setting is automatic for the majority of "home" users out there, for those this doesn't change anything.	nmercer (3899)
1401806	2015-06-02 22:50:00	can't recall the last time I heard an Android or Apple user complaining about receiving OS updates :) Oh it happens quite a bit. Nexus 7 users for example had all kinds of issues with the lollipop upgrade, which has since been patched twice and still seems to have issues for some. Unless you own one and have problems with it though you are unlikely to go searching the android forums to see all the complaints. I know other devices had issues too, but I happen to own a 2012 nexus 7 which is why I know about this specific issue. Many regretted upgrading. More people use windows so the odds of someone having issues with an update are higher. I personally always leave auto update enabled though, to me the pros outweigh any potential cons. I think the real issue here is not that updates are necessarily harmful but that MS have seen fit to remove our choice in the matter.	dugimodo (138)
1401807	2015-06-02 23:05:00	Which is WHAT I meant I gathered that, but your phasing did not make it clear.	Alex B (15479)
1401808	2015-06-02 23:25:00	Oh it happens quite a bit. Nexus 7 users for example had all kinds of issues with the lollipop upgrade, which has since been patched twice and still seems to have issues for some. Unless you own one and have problems with it though you are unlikely to go searching the android forums to see all the complaints. I know other devices had issues too, but I happen to own a 2012 nexus 7 which is why I know about this specific issue. Many regretted upgrading. More people use windows so the odds of someone having issues with an update are higher. I personally always leave auto update enabled though, to me the pros outweigh any potential cons. I think the real issue here is not that updates are necessarily harmful but that MS have seen fit to remove our choice in the matter. Microsoft OS upgrades are getting smaller not larger, I can't remember a recent example of releasing a newer OS on supported hardware that made the OS slower, like what happened to Lollipop on Nexus 2012 and iOS8 onto iPad 2	nmercer (3899)
1401809	2015-06-02 23:49:00	I've not seen a dodgy driver delivered over Windows Update since the XP days. Windows doesn't trash itself when users can't wait for updates to install on shutdown Just because you havnt seen it doesnt mean it never happpens Ive had to fix many PC's issues caused by WindowsUpdate driver updates. NIC driver, sound drivers, USB to HDMI driver (several times) Ive also had to fix trashed Win's caused by Windates not being allowed to complete the install. It happens. Google it . Why do you think MS put "do not turn off or shutdown" in big letters on the screen if its a non issue ? :badpc:	1101 (13337)
1401810	2015-06-03 00:09:00	Just because you havnt seen it doesnt mean it never happpens Ive had to fix many PC's issues caused by WindowsUpdate driver updates. NIC driver, sound drivers, USB to HDMI driver (several times) Ive also had to fix trashed Win's caused by Windates not being allowed to complete the install. It happens. Google it . Why do you think MS put "do not turn off or shutdown" in big letters on the screen if its a non issue ? :badpc: While this was definitely true with XP and a lesser amount Vista, I don't remember having any major issues with 7 or 8 - other than the occasional 'windows update is broken' problem, which can be caused by any number of things, often malware. MS have definitely improved their OS's in that regard.	wratterus (105)
1401811	2015-06-03 01:13:00	Just because you havnt seen it doesnt mean it never happpens Ive had to fix many PC's issues caused by WindowsUpdate driver updates. NIC driver, sound drivers, USB to HDMI driver (several times) Ive also had to fix trashed Win's caused by Windates not being allowed to complete the install. It happens. Google it . Why do you think MS put "do not turn off or shutdown" in big letters on the screen if its a non issue ? :badpc: sure thing. Yes I've seen those things too. 10 years ago. I don't recall seeing that recently. Have you seen this on a modern Windows operating system? If so, which ones? USB to HDMI is a completely different situation. DisplayLink is fundamentally broken and its no wonder it has issues.	nmercer (3899)
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