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456377	2006-05-20 13:41:00	Everything you need to set Fedora up to play DVD's, MP3's, flash, java etc can be found here (stanton-finley.net) :thumbs: It's my first port of call after a new release. I also check back from time to time. You don't have to do all of it, just the parts you need.	Sam I Am (1679)
456378	2006-05-21 02:55:00	. . . 4 . I would expect that your drive d: is the first drive in an extended partition, so you can mount it as root with a line like this: Since Windows was there first, it's probably made three pruinary partitions, leaving Linux to make an extended one, with its lpartitions as logicals . So I'd not try mounting hda5 without checking first . ;) Linux is pretty good at finding Windows, and making provison for it . Do a mount command (no arguments or options) . That will show you what partitions are mounted . It might be ther already . ;) It will be a subdirectoryu of /mnt . Next have a look at /etc/fstab . If there's a line there which has "Vfat" in it, that will be the FAT32 one . Look at the /mnt/ directory . If there's one (or more) which looks suspicious try mounting it/them .	Graham L (2)
456379	2006-05-21 08:25:00	I am having a break. Linux is not user friendly. They gotta make it more if they want the avg household to use linux, like the mother and child. Or it would just remain as a geek's software in their backyard. I found DOS easier to use than Linux personally. Got it since bro's said it was easier than windows, he was 99% certain of it. He was fed up with windows. He even said crazily before there is a emulator that he can play he Need for Speed games and crap like that. Initially he wanted to get rid of windows and just have linux. Not sure about now, haha. Before he was willingly to fork up to $30 for a copy of Fedora or a commercial boxed version. Right now, he says, just give patience and he expects that automatic installer would be available for software (?). Not sure about network but not used yet, but he thinks he can link up a network connection without getting into any settings, that it would work immediately upon boot up and connection of the cable. And all his high expectations, he has not read one article on the net, he just can't be bothered but at the same time he wants these big things to happen. At the mo, cannot see my FAT 32 HD still, my USB card reader of my CF mem card works fine so that is my floppy disk at the mo. Having some issues adding mp3 support via Real Player. The terminal command lines drives me nuts, like Real Player needs like 5 diff lines or such I read off a article. Our rockwell modem is not usable as well, read that we need to download a linux driver that works in 14k but for 56k there is a fee payable for $20USD. Without the modem its been a hassle as we can't use the YUM function and get the updates that way ...... That was just mumbles, don't answer that. What I can be answered is. For Linux. What software are supported? Does it depend on the distribution? So diff distro will support diff software unless you compile the software yourself is it?	Nomad (952)
456380	2006-05-21 08:45:00	/me goes to have another game of UT Ooops I use Linux, we arent supposed to be able to play games on this	Myth (110)
456381	2006-05-21 08:54:00	Maybe if you started with a distro that is aimed at Windows users, rather than Fedora which is more mainstream and multi-functional (eg workstation, server etc). Heaps of different distros available, just a matter of choosing one that suits your abilities or how much you want (or not want to) get into the technical side of things. Maybe Linux is just not for you. Got to have the right sort of mindset to change to a different OS and accept things will be different and you will have to relearn some basic stuff. Maybe Xandros will suit you better. Mepis is pretty good to with helps of included support such as plugins, MP3, DVD etc. Regarding your network question, then ethernet is basically plug and go. You can set it up so that your FAT32 drives are mounted automatically at boot time, but this is not done automatically by Fedora. It lets you decide how to set up your machine. Wouldn't take you 10 mins to do this if following one of the many guides available.	Jen (38)
456382	2006-05-21 11:26:00	Thanks I may do a bit of research. Xandros looks what I am looking for. I want to try Linux as a OS to use it .. but I am not inclined to get into the linux commands. The reason I use a WYSIWYG html editor (!). The issue I have is I think, the guides I have sourced for Fedora is that it runs in "terminal" and it downloads and installs from that. It does not download first and then install. It assumes you already have a internet connection or it says assume you have a broadband connection already. My modem is not working in Linux until I get that driver which works at 14k unless I buy the 56k version driver. What you know there is a emulator for windows and it works with ms office as well. But I think I will stick with windows for that. For the diff distro of linux. What software is supported? Do you have to find versions supported for that distro or unless you can compile it yourself, is that correct? Are all hardware drivers for linux compatible for all distro's? Re: Xandros specifically, how does one install software, is it command lines or is it a double click and the installer guides you via like windows? For hardware do you have a option like windows that "have disk" and then you can direct it to the available driver? Update. For Xandros. There is one version that is $5 prob non retail. There are also retail versions. What are the differences? Is the $5 version just as easy to use?	Nomad (952)
456383	2006-05-21 11:42:00	Just an interjectory note here... If you are looking at connecting to the internet via modem, do not use an internal winmodem. They do work but they are generally more trouble than they are worth. Check the search in this forum and put in winmodem as the search term. There are a few thread dealing with issues with winmodems. Get hold of an external modem that will run with linux. You will need to research this online. These can be found on Trademe. Note: I do have one here - Dynalink I had running with FC3 (I dont use it as I now have broadband) but wont sell it here. If interested, PM me and I will throw it on TradeF1.	Myth (110)
456384	2006-05-21 20:59:00	I'm a Linux newbie too. Tried Red Hat 9 about four years ago and gave up for reasons similar to your own. Steep learning curve, not enough time, and problems with hardware. Upgraded to Windows XP - similar problems with hardware! A week ago I decided that I'm not going to play Microsoft's silly game any more. I will not be buying 2 copies of Vista for my 2 PCs - if they ever get it out. The day will come when, like Win 98, XP will no longer be supported. When that day comes I will be using Linux only. In the last week I've tried Fedora 5, Mandriva and Ubuntu. For a newbie, Ubuntu is far better. To my astonishment, my Asus laptop wireless connection worked as soon as I activated it! I believe Suse is good for newbies too. Sure, there are difficulties, like needing to mount your FAT partitions - NTFS is even worse, but try reading your EXT3 Linux partitions with Windows. Yeah, right! The learning curve is steep - so allow time for it. Look at the mess people get into with Windows. Windows is easy to start off in as a newbie, but to take charge of it properly requires a lot of knowledge. I spend half my life digging friends and rellies out of the messes they get into. With Linux it's the other way round, harder to get started, but stable in the long run. Until recently, I tutored at SeniorNet. Opened my eyes to just how difficult Windows XP is for someone who hasn't used a PC before. Windows 3.1 had a lot going for it. Apart from the welcome long file names and large disc support, most of the progress since then has been in pretty frills and bloat. Contemplate a world without activation, restoration discs, bugs, security holes, bloat, piracy, disc fragmentation, corrupted files, big software bills........ it goes on. It's going to take time to get on top of Linux. OK, no problem, no hurry. For the moment I'm stuck with Windows for some things: CD printing, Snagit, Corel Draw. Gamers are definitely tied to Windows for the immediate future. But Linux is going ahead in leaps and bounds. When I tried it previously it was far more difficult than it is now. This week I'm selling Office on TradeMe (OK, I'm keeping FrontPage) - OpenOffice.org doesn't have as many bells and whistles, but it has enough. And it's free - for Windows too. And it now has a decent relational database. Watch this space Redmond. You can find info on using winmodems under Linux here: linmodems.org but a proper hardware modem does a better job even for Windows dial-up. For a while I'm going to be a dual booter and I'll be trying different distros. This sort of playing about is fraught with danger so I've purchased Acronis Disk Director and Acronis True Image to help with partitioning, imaging, boot management and so on. Excellent programs and the last software I'll be paying for under Windows. Bit of a change for a person who runs a Windows help website!	Vallis (8886)
456385	2006-05-21 23:43:00	Thanks I may do a bit of research. Xandros looks what I am looking for. I want to try Linux as a OS to use it .. but I am not inclined to get into the linux commands. The reason I use a WYSIWYG html editor (!).The free version of Xandros will only burn CDs at a crippled rate. Their commercial versions will burn CDs at the standard speed and includes Crossover Office and other commercial applications that make life easier. I am guessing the $5 version is just the charge to post you the CD of the free (www.xandros.com) Open Circulation Edition. As mentioned, SuSE (free edition) is very nice as well and has heaps of GUIs for any configurations required. The issue I have is I think, the guides I have sourced for Fedora is that it runs in "terminal" and it downloads and installs from that. It does not download first and then install. It assumes you already have a internet connection or it says assume you have a broadband connection already.You must be using Yum without the GUI. It uses the console, and yes, if you are on dialup downloading updates and any additional programs will be a pain. No different to Windows and its updates, only except Linux knows what other software you have installed eg Gimp, OpenOffice, Firefox etc and will also update those at the same time. This can add up to quite a bit of downloading each time. Using a GUI for the updating can give you more control over what is downloaded and you can deselect things easier. You can also browse the package directory and see what other programs are available that you might wish to install. For the diff distro of linux. What software is supported? Do you have to find versions supported for that distro or unless you can compile it yourself, is that correct? Are all hardware drivers for linux compatible for all distro's?Linux runs Linux software, if you wish to run a different OSs programs then you will have limited options. Crossover Office, Wine and Cedega are applications that allow you to run some Window applications. Basically you just use the Linux version or equivalent to that software. There is so much available, you should be able to find an alternative that suits you fine. There are a variety of package formats available in Linux, but for ease of use you should use the package format that is native for your Linux distro eg. RPM, deb, tgz. The package repository that you connect to with your distro will have the appropriate format. You just select your package and it downloads and installs it for you. The only time you need to manually install a package is when it is not available in the repository. Some software developers offer precompiled binary installation files for the most common distros or package types eg RPM's. These you can just download and double-click to install. You are at risk of finding that the package depends upon other files present, and if they are not on your system then you will need to locate and then install them first - this is referred to as dependency hell. Using a repository eliminates this, as 99% of the time they will have the required files available and will download them automatically along with your program if it detects you do not already have them. Rarely do I have to manually download the source to a program and compile it manually. However, internal modem drivers are commonly provided as source (to ensure wide-ranging distro compatibility) and they will require compiling and all sorts of command line work to install. Re: Xandros specifically, how does one install software, is it command lines or is it a double click and the installer guides you via like windows? For hardware do you have a option like windows that "have disk" and then you can direct it to the available driver?It has been a while since I've looked at Xandros, but their package manager program is one of the best for ease of use etc. Basically you connect to Xandros Networks, and then you just browse the selections and click install on what program takes your fancy. It will then download and install it all for you. Not far from how Windows Update system works. If you search the Xandros website (or fans websites) you should be able to find screenshots of Xandros Networks (package manager) and see what I mean. Xandros is a commercial distro as well, so some of the packages will include propriety code and therefore will not be free.	Jen (38)
456386	2006-05-22 07:54:00	Thanks for the help you 2 and the others also . I have not read all that stuff but will do it when I logoff the net to free the line . Yeah the free Xandros is the free version since only 540MB I may get via dialup . A week or two using pause/resume func . Burn onto CD . I have 2 guides . They both do a terminal console and insert a www link in it . . to download and install . . like Windows Update rather than download and then install . I will now get the modem driver and then follow their instructions line by line . . I will give Fedora another bash at it . . . and later get Xandros and try out . I downloaded XMMS and a guide from this ( . net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes . html" target="_blank">stanton-finley . net) If I use the command: "su" and then pop the password in . Then . . "rpm -Uvh XXXX . rpm" (I dragged drop the icon to the terminal for it to type the filename automatically) . It says, error: cannot locate %source /user/src/redhat/SOURCES If I double click the rpm filename it runs and says: cannot install packages . CLICK OK . It says: No packages were given for installation . This happens for YUM rpm file as well as XMMS rpm file . I have successfully installed YUM EXTENDER successfully thou and its on the menu and I have runned it . I have download the rpm file for Real Audio player and it installs ok . . but then I can't run the mp3 file, I even try to open with "other" and try to search for ti . . but I can't locate the program from the list . When I try to reinstall it, it says its already installed . But from the above URL link I didn't use the command lines thou, I accidentally double clicked it . Ok, I will come back at a later time but will now read you (2) replies now . Have a good night . N .	Nomad (952)
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