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| 460953 | 2006-06-06 12:41:00 | Bletch - if NetBEUI is out of date what are the recommended protocols for the following connections - Win9x(?/ME) - Win9x(?/ME) WinXP - Win9x(?/ME) WinXP(?/2000) - WinXP(?/2000)? This would be helpful info for inclusion in an FAQ/Wiki. |
Robin S_ (86) | ||
| 460954 | 2006-06-06 13:02:00 | TCP/IP will work for all of the above, and is the best one for the job - especially as it makes upgrading the network later a lot simpler. For Win9x <--> Win9x if NetBEUI is installed by default (which it usually is, although I'm not sure about ME) it can be used as-is, but it makes life hell (for novice users) when upgrading, or adding other components to a network (e.g. a broadband router). It's better to install TCP/IP at the outset. TCP/IP is also a routable protocol, and NetBEUI is not - it relies on broadcast traffic. Because of this, NetBEUI doesn't scale well and cannot take full advantage of a switch (as opposed to a hub). Therefore TCP/IP will perform comparitively faster when there are several PCs on the network. |
Erayd (23) | ||
| 460955 | 2006-06-07 00:36:00 | the idea behind netbeui is thats its easy to configure and its not tcp/ip. unfortunatly it is a bit slow. i use ipx/px which is an old protocol but windows has it by default, its good for small networks and requires minimal setup. the whole idea of useing netbeui or ipx/spx (or anything other than tcp/ip) is to use a different method for your internet than for your local network. it makes it a bit harder to route your shared files over the net. useing tcp/ip for your local network file shareing makes it easier to gain access to your files from the net exspecially when useing 9x/me |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 460956 | 2006-06-07 00:43:00 | Yes, but then what happens when you want to add a broadband router later? Or upgrade to a Win2k/XP machine? 2k/XP don't have NetBEUI or IPX/SPX installed by default (i.e. you need to add it), and I have yet to see a BB router capable of working with a NetBEUI LAN. I guess NetBEUI is pretty easy to configure, but it's fairly limited in what it can do. You're basically limited to file & printer sharing. Even most network games these days require TCP/IP to function correctly (although a lot of the older ones did use IPX/SPX). |
Erayd (23) | ||
| 460957 | 2006-06-07 00:56:00 | Thanks for the top-up, guys. I hope this all goes into the FAQ/Wiki. BTW. How does one get into the "missing" FAQs? Is it a case of having to know the addresses or is there some other way? I had checked the list, and done a search on the FAQs for "home network", before I started this thread. |
Robin S_ (86) | ||
| 460958 | 2006-06-07 01:08:00 | Yes, but then what happens when you want to add a broadband router later? Or upgrade to a Win2k/XP machine? 2k/XP don't have NetBEUI or IPX/SPX installed by default (i.e. you need to add it), and I have yet to see a BB router capable of working with a NetBEUI LAN. I guess NetBEUI is pretty easy to configure, but it's fairly limited in what it can do. You're basically limited to file & printer sharing. Even most network games these days require TCP/IP to function correctly (although a lot of the older ones did use IPX/SPX). i think you missed the point here. you run BOTH tcp/ip and ipx/spx (or netbeui). with XP ipx is ADVAILABLE by default, netbeui isn't. with netbeui you have to extract it off the disk which is a pain. adding protocals is just plain easy and normall. netbeui or ipx/spx of course is limited to windows file shareing only......thats the point, you set it so its the only protocol windows fileshareing uses which means its very hard for it to go over the net. also it means no firewall gets in its way. BB routers........no idea. i prefer to use seperate switches anyway (you don't loose the network when the BB router plays up). edit: i just had a quick look. some BB routers have built in switches, others don't they just have 4 ports for shareing the net. still 4-5 port switches are cheap and i wouldn't trust the adsl modem with lan traffic anyway. |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 460959 | 2006-06-07 01:11:00 | The reason you couldn't find it is that it looks like an old FAQ thread that was never properly added to the FAQ section - perhaps it was missed when the forum was upgraded to vBulletin. Another thing that should be amended in that FAQ: avoid using the 192.168.0.0/24 subnet. Some network devices confuse it with 192.168.0.0/16, which then causes routing to not work correctly. 192.168.1.0/24 is a better choice, and is also the one that most home network devices use by default (except D-Link DSL-302G etc). |
Erayd (23) | ||
| 460960 | 2006-06-07 01:30:00 | tweak'e: Gotcha, that makes a bit more sense, I was missing the point you were trying to make. Where's the difference between 'not using TCP/IP for LAN traffic' and 'using NAT'? If incoming connections are blocked anyway, how can shares be compromised from the internet side? The PCs on the LAN would be in a private subnet anyway (usually a class C), and therefore not visible unless the modem/router itself is compromised. Is IPX/SPX a broadcast protocol like NetBEUI, or can it send traffic directly? |
Erayd (23) | ||
| 460961 | 2006-06-07 01:42:00 | therefore not visible unless the modem/router itself is compromised. exactly. we have seen hacked routers before today and a lot of people leave them on default passwords. even if they are useing internal modems windows networking has been known to be hacked (exspecially with unpatched systems) so its adavailable to the net. by not useing tcp/ip fpr the shareing even if the router is hacked the lan traffic won't go over it, UNLESS they do ipx over tcp. the catch with netbeui is it dosn't like many pc's on the network. ipx is old (pre internet ?) and handles medium sized networks but dosn't like very large corporate networks (i can't remeber why). for home networks its any easy way to add sicurity and get around hassles with firewalls. Is IPX/SPX a broadcast protocol like NetBEUI, or can it send traffic directly? not to sure what u mean. i'm no networking god. |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 460962 | 2006-06-07 01:47:00 | ...and a lot of people leave them on default passwords.Very true. This should also be included in the FAQ. | Erayd (23) | ||
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