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Thread ID: 138761	2015-01-20 04:37:00	This will cause a stir - your Free AV may contain infections	wainuitech (129)	PC World Chat

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1392370	2015-01-20 04:37:00	Many people still insist on using Free antivirus software and such, well most techs can tell you ( and its been mentioned here often) the Free stuff you get what you pay for -- Someone has to pay for it somewhere along the line. = The end user. 7 out of 8 tested free antivirus suites bundle with PUPs All tested free Antivirus programs come with toolbars or PUPs of some sort :eek: Not uncommon, see it every day almost, PUPs = Potentially Unwanted Programs. Full article - very interesting read: blog.emsisoft.com-has-the-antivirus-industry-gone-mad (http:) Some of the Free stuff is useless. If you have Microsoft Security essentials - you may as well have nothing, it used to be good, but these days cant stop a cold :) Got a PC here right now, had obvious infections, uninstalled MSSE, put inNod32 -- it went NUTS while installing blocking active infections left right and center. Took a while, ( still scanning) with other antimalware programs, and the amount of infections are incredible.	wainuitech (129)
1392371	2015-01-20 05:01:00	Guess I'll be trialling NOD32 for a few weeks then... :p	pcuser42 (130)
1392372	2015-01-20 05:55:00	Friend had AVG Toolbar on their Laptop that was running slow,thought it looked sus Ran Junkware Removal Tool,took a few other things out then ran AdwCleaner,took out heaps including the Toolbar Liking Adwcleaner as a in depth cleaner	Lawrence (2987)
1392373	2015-01-20 06:13:00	Friend had AVG Toolbar on their Laptop that was running slow,thought it looked sus Ran Junkware Removal Tool,took a few other things out then ran AdwCleaner,took out heaps including the Toolbar Liking Adwcleaner as a in depth cleaner Throw Malwarebytes in the mix as well, it may find items the others miss. An example is the PC I got here, ran those two mentioned, then ran malwarebytes, it located 315 more, most PUPS and a LOT relating to Mindspark.	wainuitech (129)
1392374	2015-01-20 06:49:00	No doubt there is more there,only had 5 minutes to look at it so these 2 were quick Be having another look and digging	Lawrence (2987)
1392375	2015-01-20 09:37:00	Many people still insist on using Free antivirus software If you have Microsoft Security essentials - you may as well have nothing Got a PC here right now, had obvious infections, uninstalled MSSE, put inNod32 -- it went NUTS while installing blocking active infections left right and center. Took a while, ( still scanning) with other antimalware programs, and the amount of infections are incredible. Firstly I'm not going to try and convince anyone that defender is great, or as good as NOD32, but I dispute that it's useless. I agree that MSSE and defender rate at the bottom of the pile these days but they are still FAR better than nothing. Common sense and a couple other free tools to back it up and defender keeps my PC running just fine. I've mentioned this before. Every now and again I will try the NOD32 online scanner and every month or so I update and scan with malwarebytes and all I usually find are cookies (sure defender missed them but they are cookies who cares). Even on this site www.av-test.org where defender ranks 0/6 for protection still has it finding 82% of current malware. I would not advocate using defender alone, but it can be part of a free strategy. I would also hazard a guess that the kind of people whose computers end up in your hands filled with malware would get infected no matter what protection software they used. I know I personally take a bit of a risk and have several times come close to paying for a better solution but worst case scenario for me is I end up wiping the hard drive and starting over. Not the end of the world for me. Incidentally I make no claims regarding the site I linked, found it with google and have never looked at it before. I note it rates the performance of kaspersky as 6/6 and esset smart security as 3.5/6 in terms of overall system performance hit. My experience with an older version of kaspersky would completely disagree with that. I had a 1 year free licence that lasted 3 months on my PC until I realised it was the source of all my browser slowdowns. Maybe it's improved, or maybe lab testing doesn't tell the real story.	dugimodo (138)
1392376	2015-01-20 19:52:00	What a complete load of BS First off, since when has Skype or Dropbox been malware. Better start uninstalling them on every PC I see then :-) Look at that pick of the IE toolbars. Again, just scare tactics & totally misleading. Even Ask is not malware, though that one I agree should never be packaged with AV installers. Even Malwarebytes has Cnet as a download partner. Come on , what tech is going to stop using Malwarebytes Dont download AV from Cnet or Download.com : use majorgeeks . Problem solved. Ive seen MANY new PC's with Ask preinstalled. So are we saying that new PC's come prepackaged with malware as well. A PUP is not, never has been malware or a virus.	1101 (13337)
1392377	2015-01-20 20:21:00	PUP's have potential to drag in nasties, see it all the time. Just shows how much you actually understand, PUPS put themselves in without peoples knowledge, sure most have the option to say no, but the majority of peopel wont use advanced or custom installs, and simply go Next, Next next, which is what they rely on. So you're quite happy to have fake programs that insist you have infections and want money from you to remove, and when you click close they wont ????? If I wanted Drop box or Skype I'd bloody well install it, I dont want it bundled with some other crap.!! So are we saying that new PC's come prepackaged with malware as well YES!!! Seen it happen. Last Year had two brand new laptops, both HP's, installed various antimalware programs, and right away in both cases they found the same trojan -- I Was a bit suspect, so uploaded the file to the online scanner to test https://www.virustotal.com/ In both cases, 43 of 57 AV's reported as a Trojan. Antivirus reports from lab tests mean bugger all. The whole lot follow the same procedure basically, infect a clean computer then try to clean it, hardly any actually test like real life, What STOPS the infections before they get in. If MSSE is OK then why when it was used to scan did it miss all the infections, including over a dozen trojans, 5 rootkits and all the other items ? When installing Nod it went nuts with active infections that MSSE didn't even detect. The Pic below shows the results AS it was installing, didn't even have the option to get it to work fully yet, or do a scan hence one reason it couldn't delete them yet. 6156 Just got off the phone from a guy, hes got a new W8.1 at Xmas, he was told by the shop who sold it you dont need a AV as it comes with one -- from what he described in the way ALL browsers are redirecting to fake AV sites, at least 4 new toolbars, cant download any antivirus or antimalware software as he gets redirected, AND all the icons for various crap that have suddenly shown on the desktop --Yeah its not infected :) and the inbuilt Defender is working fine: ;) :tui:	wainuitech (129)
1392378	2015-01-20 22:05:00	From those who do know what they are talking about www.bitdefender.com A PUA / PUP (potentially unwanted application / potentially unwanted program) is a software that may be unwanted on the PC and sometimes comes bundled with freeware software. Even java updates sometimes get bundled with PUPs , that doesnt mean you shouldnt install java updates. Some PUPs are 100% legit. the key word is potentially. That doesnt make bundling pups OK :badpc: on the emsisoft blog "Danger! Do not try this at home: download the top 10 apps on Download.com" Yet they almost legitimize CNet by allowing their own product on that very site download.cnet.com download.cnet.com	1101 (13337)
1392379	2015-01-20 23:21:00	Yet they almost legitimize CNet by allowing their own product on that very site Not all downloads from Cnet /Download.com contain "extras", theres lots of software that are fine. if you read carefully what the Emsisoft article actually said, the PUPS are bundled in the original Application, NOT alway on the site. Classic example is Ask in java, almost all the antimalware programs will detect and remove it, yet the java is fine. The fun happens when people dont look at what they are clicking or pre ticked. BTW - I said infections in past posts, not malware /Viruses, slightly different --- it wasn't read correctly. The link to Bitdefender -- basically saying software that installs without your knowledge and gives examples of the troubles -- or did that fly over the head as well. it will display pop-ups or install a toolbar in the default browser changing the homepage or the search engine. Some of them will also run several processes in the background, slowing down the PC or will display numerous ads. From a previous post: A PUP is not, never has been malware or a virus. In The link: These programs can be installed without your consent (also called adware) or will be included by default in the express installation kit (ad-supported). In order to avoid installing such PUA / PUP, you have to always install the main software by choosing the advanced/custom options. For security reasons, our product will detect such software, will warn you about its presence on the system, allowing you to take the action you want with that application. Bitdefender will detect the file and it will generate a separate event in the main interface as shown in the image below: ;)	wainuitech (129)
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