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Thread ID: 138779	2015-01-22 21:35:00	NZ name change	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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1392587	2015-01-27 10:27:00	If anyone is interested in reality, Maori is taught in Maori circles, i.e Te Reo and areas that are predominantly maori populated. So the idea that maori should learn themselves before "pushing" it on others is a moot and (please don't take offense) seemingly ignorant point. I personally have no interest in learning Maori, even though I am of Maori decent and am a majority shareholder of a pocket of maori land (with my brother and sister we control 25% with approx 80 people in the shareholder stake). However, having said that, anyone who has done their OE will have been asked at some stage to speak at least some Maori. It is kind of expected from other countries that all NZ'ers can speak our native language, just as they can speak their own as well as English. Another reason, and somewhat more fundamental, to learn maori, is if you should be doing business either overseas or with overseas people, you could speak maori to your partner or business companion and have a private conversation. Essential if you are in a negotiation situation and need a private discussion while negotiating. I would be the first to admit that the sole reason I have not learnt maori, is that I am lazy on that subject. As for Gareth Morgan, I agree with what most have already said, he should stick to his own knowledge base - investment. He made his money investing in his son's business from the start and I believe he has a good knowledge of reading the investment market, but that is where my appreciation of him starts and stops. Oh, and I personally believe the only reason he has spoken up on this subject, is to help promote and sell his new book. The fact we are all talking about him shows the old adage "even bad publicity is good publicity" is true because people will buy his book, even if out of curiosity of what all the talk is about. Success for him. There are two reasons for our young children to learn the basics of the Maori language. First, Maori is a unique language spoken only in New Zealand and the Cook Islands. There are well over a thousand surviving human languages but they are disappearing as silently as melting snow. They are a loss to us all so keeping Te Rao alive seems a small effort. The last speaker of Cornish died in the 1950s. Gaelic is still spoken in Normandy but is fading away. Languages are rich in expression and tell us a lot about the lives of the people who spoke them. Secondly, learning a second language when young creates neural connections which enhance intelligence. Knowing the dominant language and comparing it in microseconds with the second language creates comprehension, which is the most valuable of communication skills.	Winston001 (3612)
1392588	2015-01-27 17:07:00	No way should White kids be forced to take a foreign language.	prefect (6291)
1392589	2015-01-27 18:04:00	The last speaker of Cornish died in the 1950s. Gaelic is still spoken in Normandy but is fading away. Secondly, learning a second language when young creates neural connections which enhance intelligence. So we should learn Cornish then. Or Gaelic. Or no, one of these: en.wikipedia.org Does it. It's just easier to learn one when very young.	pctek (84)
1392590	2015-01-27 19:41:00	There are two reasons for our young children to learn the basics of the Maori language. First, Maori is a unique language spoken only in New Zealand and the Cook Islands. There are well over a thousand surviving human languages but they are disappearing as silently as melting snow. They are a loss to us all so keeping Te Rao alive seems a small effort. The last speaker of Cornish died in the 1950s. Gaelic is still spoken in Normandy but is fading away. Languages are rich in expression and tell us a lot about the lives of the people who spoke them. Secondly, learning a second language when young creates neural connections which enhance intelligence. Knowing the dominant language and comparing it in microseconds with the second language creates comprehension, which is the most valuable of communication skills. NZ Maori and Cook Island Maori are as close as English and French.	paulw (1826)
1392591	2015-01-27 20:24:00	There are two reasons for our young children to learn the basics of the Maori language. First, Maori is a unique language spoken only in New Zealand and the Cook Islands. There are well over a thousand surviving human languages but they are disappearing as silently as melting snow. They are a loss to us all so keeping Te Rao alive seems a small effort. The last speaker of Cornish died in the 1950s. Gaelic is still spoken in Normandy but is fading away. Languages are rich in expression and tell us a lot about the lives of the people who spoke them. Secondly, learning a second language when young creates neural connections which enhance intelligence. Knowing the dominant language and comparing it in microseconds with the second language creates comprehension, which is the most valuable of communication skills. We must assume that the richness of which you speak must only apply to few, I have yet to meet someone apart from the PC mob anyone who feels enriched by the maori language. We all agree that to learn a second language is good, just that we would prefer a useful one.	Cicero (40)
1392592	2015-01-27 20:24:00	And just to help out, the Maori from different iwi can’t agree on the pronunciation of different words and place names anyway. As an example, how many pronunciations of the simple greeting “tena koutou” have you heard? If you’re from the Waikato it might be pronounced ten-ark-awai which is nothing like its spelling. Anyway, by the time our intrepid News Readers have their input, the language is well and truly butchered. :lol: Watching the News the other night I found that Auckland had a regatta on the Wai-tim-a-tar harbour, wherever the hell that is. :confused:	B.M. (505)
1392593	2015-01-27 20:36:00	Watching the News the other night I found that Auckland had a regatta on the Wai-tim-a-tar harbour, wherever the hell that is. :confused: Yeah. I was really pissed-off when I heard that bit of crap, too :(	Zippity (58)
1392594	2015-01-27 20:36:00	If you are right then we should never listen to anybody who comments outside their field of expertise . However some people, a few, are polymaths and able to think deeply in several directions and they tend to be original thinkers . Gareth Morgan is one . Rod Oram is another . My youngest daughter too . A good friend (world ranked genetic scientist) has always been able to rationally talk about diverse stuff at the drop of a hat and out-argues me . Dang . He'll do that while covered in sheep guts searching for a polph and then suggest an experiment with venison salami . Its a rare talent and we need people who think abstractly and deeply . Morgan didn't become well off from economics - paid the bills at best . Its a dismal science with few job opportunities and not much money . Ironic eh . I think one would be wise to avoid people who speak outside of their area, apart from the odd one . Your choice of polymath suggests to me you are easily pleased . Morgan did have a business selling information etc, if he was that good the market would have gone to him . None the less I do enjoy his take on economics, but the rest is yours .	Cicero (40)
1392595	2015-01-27 20:40:00	New Guinea New Caledonia New Ireland New Britain New Hebrides... I am hoping Bog can enlighten me on that one.	Cicero (40)
1392596	2015-01-27 20:41:00	anyone who has done their OE will have been asked at some stage to speak at least some Maori. It is kind of expected from other countries that all NZ'ers can speak our native language, just as they can speak their own as well as English. When overseas, I was asked more than once if I could speak maori. I would always say that I could and I gave an example: "Manurewa Takapuna Waikowhai Waiheke Te Awamutu Eketahuna Patamahoe." They were always impressed.	Roscoe (6288)
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