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Thread ID: 138692	2015-01-07 22:43:00	Terrorist attack in Paris	Cato (6936)	PC World Chat

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1391661	2015-01-08 09:44:00	Let's try to see what is going on here. First off, this was a terrorist attack meant to make a political point and 12 people were killed. Murder is murder, and there is no justification for the actions taken. For this reason the authorities have to hunt down the perpetrators and deal with them. I don't think there is much argument here. But there is another side. The journalists and cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo, while exercising their "freedom of speech", made no distinction between jihadists and mainstream Islam. (They also had a go at Catholics, which would have earned them a visit from the Spanish Inquisition a few hundred years ago.) Most Muslims, whatever they thought of Charlie Hebdo, would have just shrugged their shoulders and put up with it. But, as we all have been very aware for several years now, also sheltering under the Muslim banner is a significant number of well organised thugs who do not have much sense of humour and for whom killing is the preferred method of solving problems. Poking such people with a sharp stick is just plain stupid. We have already seen a similar situation with the "Danish Cartoonists" a few years back. That led to protests in Asia and North Africa resulting in 300 deaths, all for nothing. Those people should not have died either, but the reaction was entirely predictable. The fact is, Charlie Hebdo have been acting as arrogant pricks, exemplifying the attitudes held by the West to North Africa and the Middle East for hundreds of years. There is a reason the Muslim extremists refer to Westerners as "Crusaders", and it has nothing to do with rugby. None of this justifies the Paris attack, but Charlie Hebdo's activities have contributed nothing to human welfare or understanding. Here is the nub: mocking other societies, customs or beliefs is wrong, not because they will come over and attack us, but because it displays a lack of basic respect for other people we may not agree with or even understand. Without mutual respect there is no hope of pulling the world out of the quicksand we appear to be in. If we want "them" to respect us, we must be prepared to respect "them", whoever "they" may be.	Jayess64 (8703)
1391662	2015-01-08 11:17:00	www.youtube.com A interesting take, also shows how ignorant some people are. It seems if a Muslim commits a crime it's done in the name of terrorism, but a school shooting or picture theatre shooting seems to be someone having a bad day	plod (107)
1391663	2015-01-08 18:15:00	The bit everyone seems to have overlooked is in every case, be it the Boston Marathon, Sydney Coffee Bar and now Paris the Terrorists were known to the authorities and had Form. Why were they at large is my question? :mad: In the latest case the terrorists were named before the dust had settled.	B.M. (505)
1391664	2015-01-08 22:02:00	Let's try to see what is going on here. First off, this was a terrorist attack meant to make a political point and 12 people were killed. Murder is murder, and there is no justification for the actions taken. For this reason the authorities have to hunt down the perpetrators and deal with them. I don't think there is much argument here. But there is another side. The journalists and cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo, while exercising their "freedom of speech", made no distinction between jihadists and mainstream Islam. (They also had a go at Catholics, which would have earned them a visit from the Spanish Inquisition a few hundred years ago.) Most Muslims, whatever they thought of Charlie Hebdo, would have just shrugged their shoulders and put up with it. But, as we all have been very aware for several years now, also sheltering under the Muslim banner is a significant number of well organised thugs who do not have much sense of humour and for whom killing is the preferred method of solving problems. Poking such people with a sharp stick is just plain stupid. We have already seen a similar situation with the "Danish Cartoonists" a few years back. That led to protests in Asia and North Africa resulting in 300 deaths, all for nothing. Those people should not have died either, but the reaction was entirely predictable. The fact is, Charlie Hebdo have been acting as arrogant pricks, exemplifying the attitudes held by the West to North Africa and the Middle East for hundreds of years. There is a reason the Muslim extremists refer to Westerners as "Crusaders", and it has nothing to do with rugby. None of this justifies the Paris attack, but Charlie Hebdo's activities have contributed nothing to human welfare or understanding. Here is the nub: mocking other societies, customs or beliefs is wrong, not because they will come over and attack us, but because it displays a lack of basic respect for other people we may not agree with or even understand. Without mutual respect there is no hope of pulling the world out of the quicksand we appear to be in. If we want "them" to respect us, we must be prepared to respect "them", whoever "they" may be. I agree, a little respect for other society's beliefs and less arrogance. Murder, Rape, and other illegal acts are all crimes to be dealt with regardless of the motive. Deliberately provoking them by ridiculing them is not only stupid, it is dangerous! I lived in a country which was 90% Muslim, and not once was I victimised or called an infidel. I must admit that bridge building with a crew who had been eating and drinking all night and not allowed to eat or drink during the day in 100degF heat. To make matters worse every so often they would drop everything and pray. My advice is don't build a bridge during the month of Ramadan.	mzee (3324)
1391665	2015-01-09 01:28:00	There is one point most commenters seem to be missing in this disscussion. It can be simply stated as "When in Rome do as the Romans do" If I go to somebody elses country, and I have been to a few, I comply with their laws and customs. I do not demand that they change to my ways, beliefs or customs. If they decide to come to my country I expect them to accord us with the same consideration. While there are those with extreme views belonging to almost any group living on the planet currently only Islamists seem to be able to kill without instant censure from their peers.	CliveM (6007)
1391666	2015-01-09 01:45:00	There is one point most commenters seem to be missing in this disscussion. It can be simply stated as "When in Rome do as the Romans do" If I go to somebody elses country, and I have been to a few, I comply with their laws and customs. I do not demand that they change to my ways, beliefs or customs. If they decide to come to my country I expect them to accord us with the same consideration. While there are those with extreme views belonging to almost any group living on the planet currently only Islamists seem to be able to kill without instant censure from their peers. There has in fact been widespread condemnation of the killings across the Islamic world including 'extremist' countries such as Saudi Arabia. www.theguardian.com What we don't hear from the Islamic world is condemnation of those parts of the Koran which the terrorists use to justify their actions.	Terry Porritt (14)
1391667	2015-01-09 04:32:00	There has in fact been widespread condemnation of the killings across the Islamic world including 'extremist' countries such as Saudi Arabia. www.theguardian.com What we don't hear from the Islamic world is condemnation of those parts of the Koran which the terrorists use to justify their actions. You are, of course, correct Terry. Those views get little coverage in our MSM however. Anti social behaviour of any sort (excluding the obviously mentaly ill) only exists anywhere if the perpetrators are accepted by their friends and peers as doing the right thing and far too many Islamists think it is just fine to kill in the name of their beliefs.	CliveM (6007)
1391668	2015-01-09 06:53:00	While PC rules, this will continue. This chap is reviled by the PC mob in England www.youtube.com	Cicero (40)
1391669	2015-01-09 07:03:00	But don't the French consider it perfectly acceptable to go and kill in another country?	R2x1 (4628)
1391670	2015-01-09 07:38:00	But don't the French consider it perfectly acceptable to go and kill in another country? Yes but not with their own	plod (107)
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