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| Thread ID: 70333 | 2006-06-29 12:38:00 | Zone Alarm is retiring from Win98 ........ | paradox (1082) | Press F1 |
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| 467359 | 2006-07-12 09:58:00 | I have a Telstra Clear cable and the connection from the modem goes through the router. Telstra Clear won't set it up for you or give you any advice on how to do any home networking, in fact I don't recall them even giving a warning that the way they set it up is essentially unprotected. | Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
| 467360 | 2006-07-12 10:03:00 | But at least NAT does stop the real nasties getting in uninvited. It could be said that lesser stuff that has got in and is now trying to get out, has been invited in, even if unintentionally through bad habits or ignorance, especially the click-happy brigade :) But yes, both inwards and outwards protection is important. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 467361 | 2006-07-12 10:09:00 | I have a Telstra Clear cable and the connection from the modem goes through the router. Telstra Clear won't set it up for you or give you any advice on how to do any home networking, in fact I don't recall them even giving a warning that the way they set it up is essentially unprotected. That is as I understand it, I had to sort out a friends computer that was on cable recently. For some reason Zone Alarm was causing the win98SE system to run like it was in treacle. I replaced it with Kerio, but it would have been nice to have had a router in there with NAT, I was horrified at the thousands of "serious intrusions" ZA had blocked. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 467362 | 2006-07-12 10:11:00 | sorry terry but NO. it stops worms thats about it, thats only a small % of whats around. other uninvited can still get through via browser/email/other software exploits. | tweak'e (69) | ||
| 467363 | 2006-07-12 10:14:00 | NAT really only helps partitially . it still doesn't stop any malware on you pc from gaining access OUTWOULDS . windows firewall and NAT only do half the job . . . if anything the minor half of the job . The only protection is to stop the stuff getting in your the first place . Software firewalls don't help as as the linked article said, they can be turned off by malicious hackers anyway, or have the outward traffic disguised as say Internet Explorer or something you have already given clearance too . Again read the Security Now article and in fact listen to the podcast . Steve Gibson doesn't run anti-virus or software firewalls and he is a leading security expert . He is however very careful what gets on to his system in the first place . Hardware firewalls provide significantly better protection than software firewalls . Outward blocking is hardly an issue if it doesn't get on your system in the first place . I run Kerio on one of my computers, it is probably the best out there right now and if you want to see the outward connections . However the line that outward monitoring is what matters is concocted by the software firewall sellers, as you'd expect . Run a software firewall by all means, but be aware there are potential limitations . PS For my money the Security Now podcast is the best podcast on computers right now - not just on security . You can download all 50+ episodes or read the transcripts on the site . |
Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
| 467364 | 2006-07-12 10:19:00 | sorry terry but NO. it stops worms thats about it, thats only a small % of whats around. other uninvited can still get through via browser/email/other software exploits. You mean exploits that get by NAT but are stopped by a software firewall? I'm trialling Comodo at the moment, but I haven't seen a log file anywhere as yet. I dont think it makes one, so can't tell how well it's doing :) |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 467365 | 2006-07-12 10:20:00 | sorry terry but NO . it stops worms thats about it, thats only a small % of whats around . other uninvited can still get through via browser/email/other software exploits . I'm not suggesting you run a firewall and then let any old virus in through your e mail or other means . Although I know a lot of experienced users don't use anti-virus, I prefer to have anti-virus and anti-spyware as well . However - using an unsupported operating system like 98 would probably leave you wide open anyway . |
Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
| 467366 | 2006-07-12 10:26:00 | "Terry Porritt You mean exploits that get by NAT but are stopped by a software firewall?" I doubt the software firewall would be any use either . Unfortunately you need to be a security expert these days to run Windows and of course most people know very little . However if I was gving advice to my mum I'd say run a software firewall, anti-virus and have anti-spyware . If she ever gets a hardware firewall it will because she'll know enough by then . Unfortunately my mum will have no idea what the software firewall is telling her so she'll probably say ok to the wrong things anyway . Hackers will largely go after the easy hits so some security is better than being wide open . |
Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
| 467367 | 2006-07-12 10:35:00 | The only protection is to stop the stuff getting in your the first place LMAO malware can get past everything! where have you been! firewals have NEVER stopped it getting IN . only a fool would think nothing will get in as steve said in that tink the software firewall is usefull for outbound and application controll . his prefered is kerio . steve dosn't need firewall/av etc because he is so "anal" about his system the slightest change he will see himself . that is not true for the rest of us mere mortals . his system is nothing like what 99 . 9% of home users have . have the outward traffic disguised as say Internet Explorer or something you have already given clearance too they do actually check that it is IE, thats why its called application controll . don't get me wrong here . . . . NAT helps, but its not a replacement for software firewall on a home pc, which is exactly what steve said . there is alwasy limits and its good to know them, like hacking nat routers ;) |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 467368 | 2006-07-12 10:45:00 | <groan> not again . . . thats so begging for a flameing and a swift kick in the . . . . . . . Sorry but you can live without a softwall firewall if you're careful what you do . I work in an IT department and the majority of people I work with would not run a software firewall, and some would not use anti-virus . And network protection is their day job . Now for people who can understand what Zone Alarm is doing and don't mind the hit on your system resources, good luck to you . But begging to be flamed, I think not . |
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