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| 1405059 | 2015-07-20 02:51:00 | thanks for clarifying wainuitech & others, helpful as always re "If you dont upgrade before 2016, you will then have to pay for it." what happens if you upgrade but need to do a reset later on, will it roll back to 8.1 & need to pay for 10?? Yeah Cortana is probably not something I'll use much but something to give a go & see what it's like! |
pct (16854) | ||
| 1405060 | 2015-07-20 04:38:00 | thanks for clarifying wainuitech & others, helpful as always re "If you dont upgrade before 2016, you will then have to pay for it." what happens if you upgrade but need to do a reset later on, will it roll back to 8.1 & need to pay for 10?? Yeah Cortana is probably not something I'll use much but something to give a go & see what it's like! When you upgrade, we are told there will be the option to download / create a W10 ISO of the Operating system, would pay to do that and keep is someplace safe like on an external HDD. When you need to do a reinstall ( even after July 2016) using the ISO either burnt to DVD or USB drive, no problems, because the hardware (your computer) will be registered with Microsoft, so when doing a reinstall it will check to see if it was originally upgraded before July 2016, if it was alls well. What I'm not to sure about and maybe nmercer can advise (he works for MS) is whether MS will be issuing new keys or if the old ones will work or you don't need any at all as the original key will be recorded at MS. Where it will also become interesting is if changing hardware, to what point will it be considered a different computer ? From what I gather (and read) its changing the motherboard will be the trigger. |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1405061 | 2015-07-20 05:00:00 | Edit to above ( timer ran out) Just found the following on the insider Site :) To enable clean installation of Windows 10 on devices that upgraded and activated online using the free upgrade offer 1. You will be able to download and create installation media on a USB drive or DVD for the appropriate Windows 10 Edition 2. You will be able to skip entering the product key during Windows 10 Setup. Windows 10 will activate online automatically on such devices. The skip option is only available when booting from media and launching setup The automatic online activation will occur seamlessly after clean installing Windows 10 if the device had previously upgraded and activated online the same Edition of Windows 10. No product keys are required. Full Post, all 53 pages of it ;) answers.microsoft.com (answers.microsoft.com) |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1405062 | 2015-07-20 07:51:00 | So you have to upgrade first then do the clean install, lets hope the upgrade works every time then. No real answer on what happens if you change say one component and you had a retail key originally, I don't so won't affect me. Wonder what the price of Win10 will be to buy anyway as I'm overdue for a rebuild but can't afford to do it yet. |
gary67 (56) | ||
| 1405063 | 2015-07-20 08:20:00 | When you upgrade, we are told there will be the option to download / create a W10 ISO of the Operating system, would pay to do that and keep is someplace safe like on an external HDD. When you need to do a reinstall ( even after July 2016) using the ISO either burnt to DVD or USB drive, no problems, because the hardware (your computer) will be registered with Microsoft, so when doing a reinstall it will check to see if it was originally upgraded before July 2016, if it was alls well. What I'm not to sure about and maybe nmercer can advise (he works for MS) is whether MS will be issuing new keys or if the old ones will work or you don't need any at all as the original key will be recorded at MS. Where it will also become interesting is if changing hardware, to what point will it be considered a different computer ? From what I gather (and read) its changing the motherboard will be the trigger. I think I understand this right. When I get the W10 I don't have to replace W8.1 straight away, I can d/l to flash drive or CD/DVD first, then install later? Yes? Thanks. PJ |
Poppa John (284) | ||
| 1405064 | 2015-07-20 08:52:00 | I think I understand this right. When I get the W10 I don't have to replace W8.1 straight away, I can d/l to flash drive or CD/DVD first, then install later? Yes? Thanks. PJ Hope so because that's What I'll be wanting to do on the main Computers. But to test it all out, I have several different PC's setup with W7 home,Pro & 8.1 just plain installs all up to date. These are all ready to get the ISO's when they are available.That way when upgrades fail for customers Via windows updates (and they will) the ISO's are available. On the insider program Microsoft have changed the upgrade process from Insider to Windows update & the failures are still happening if that's the right terminology :D There are LOTS of people stuck on previous builds that wont upgrade Via Windows Update. The only way its been working for some is to get the ISO others have made and upgrade from that. Nathan posted earlier on: The normal public will not have the insider Windows Update issues you have described as they will be doing an upgrade from prior version of Windows not build to build Windows 10 upgrades :illogical If MS really think its all going to upgrade for everyone without any hitches I think they will be in for a bit of a disappointment. Hopefully for MS it goes reasonably well, but from past experiences it doesn't. Only time will tell. Already got several people booked appointments to upgrade, they want me to image their current setups, and install W10. That way if W10 turns to a lemon, the original install is saved. Personally I'm not against W10 at all, but when seeing all the problems others are still having on what is meant to be the RTM ---- its not a good look. (even on fresh installs) |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1405065 | 2015-07-20 19:42:00 | I'll be making fresh images of our computers this coming weekend, won't be home to do it the day before Win10 comes out, although I'm not expecting to upgrade for a month or some, just being cautious. | gary67 (56) | ||
| 1405066 | 2015-07-20 23:24:00 | Hi all, Many thanks to each poster on this subject. Question : As I have backed up into E drive ( computer h/d ) and an external harddrive now in a secure place, so will that be sufficient to fall back to and reinstall my W 7 Pro if things go pearshaped? I do have the key and install CD anyway but it would be nice to have reassurances. As I see it Microsoft hope to have a fault free upgrade ready July 29--- cynics say "yeah right " but assuming the success of the upgrade, in theory I can install W 10 straight away-- Yes ? or no! Effie c |
effie c (6856) | ||
| 1405067 | 2015-07-21 04:34:00 | @PJ and WT. I think it is well publicised that the upgrade path is via windows update not via a downloaded ISO. You are welcome to prove me wrong! There are many treatises on this but Paul Thurrott's piece, is worth reading www.thurrott.com PJ, if you don't want to install win 10 straight away, cancel the reserved status if you have accepted that, and just wait to do the windows update when you choose. Just do it before the free upgrade offer expires in a year's time! @effie c - yes, you can install win 10 straight away (or, at least when your turn comes up!). You will also be able to fall back to win 7 if you wanted to, but hopefully, you won't need to or want to. Good luck but I don't think you will need it. At least you have prepared backups. |
linw (53) | ||
| 1405068 | 2015-07-21 05:20:00 | @PJ and WT. I think it is well publicised that the upgrade path is via windows update not via a downloaded ISO. You are welcome to prove me wrong! There are many treatises on this but Paul Thurrott's piece, is worth reading www.thurrott.com PJ, if you don't want to install win 10 straight away, cancel the reserved status if you have accepted that, and just wait to do the windows update when you choose. Just do it before the free upgrade offer expires in a year's time! @effie c - yes, you can install win 10 straight away (or, at least when your turn comes up!). You will also be able to fall back to win 7 if you wanted to, but hopefully, you won't need to or want to. Good luck but I don't think you will need it. At least you have prepared backups. There will be a option to upgrade from ISO, or reinstall From a ISO. As per MS Q /A You’ll also be able to create your own installation media like a USB drive or DVD, and use that to upgrade your device or reinstall after you’ve upgraded. Full Details: answers.microsoft.com (http:) |
wainuitech (129) | ||
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