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Thread ID: 139092	2015-03-09 22:09:00	protest ove a 400 year old Kauri (Ak)	1101 (13337)	PC World Chat

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1396081	2015-03-11 21:57:00	1101, I think you will find your household insurance contains cover for "public liability" claims. We have problems with a neighbour's cherry tree roots, drain was cleared yesterday, we could send the landlord/owner the bill, will see how pricey it is first. Only noticed that the tree had been topped yesterday as well. Lot of large trees on three boundaries, we had all cut back hard and no complaints from neighbours, or dog poo in letter box, shhhhh. Lurking.	Lurking (218)
1396082	2015-03-11 22:50:00	en.wikipedia.org The ranges are covered in native forest, most of which is in the process of regeneration since extensive logging and farming in the mid–late 19th and early 20th centuries It is very likely this is a regrowth Kauri, rather than one that is hundreds of years old. And I understand that there are a number of other Kauri on this same property, larger/older than the one in contention, and these other Kauri are NOT being cut down. Can't see the reason for the fuss myself.	johcar (6283)
1396083	2015-03-12 03:07:00	I understand that there are a number of other Kauri on this same property, larger/older than the one in contention, and these other Kauri are NOT being cut down. Can't see the reason for the fuss myself. It strikes me as a storm in a teacup, likely some self-serving stirring from local tree-hugger/s. I thought the statement and argument from the owners, a little long winded but stating the facts and capturing the ethos of Titirangi, needs more emphasis than the Herald deigns to give: Open letter from John Lenihan and Jane Greensmith This is an open letter to the people of Auckland from myself John Lenihan and my wife Jane Greensmith, as today is our 20th wedding anniversary. Over these 20 years Jane and I have practised as architects who live and work in Auckland. We have only ever built 2 houses for ourselves both in Titirangi. The first house the year we got married, and I became a partner in RCG Ltd where I still work today. The second house we built 15 years ago and is the house our kids have grown up in. Both houses were on challenging sites, but as Jane's dad who was an architect too, used to say "those are architect's sites - difficult, complicated, fun and full of potential!" As architects we work in a city that we believe is under stress, as there is significant population growth. This is mostly from people like us having kids and because it is a great city. But Auckland is under huge stress - it needs homes for extra people, and it needs affordable homes, and it needs homes of all types everywhere. This means change and many people hate change, and this adds more stress. We wanted to be part of changing all this in our own small but optimistic way, so along with helping our clients achieve this, we thought we would try and build again and be our own client. We came across 2 lovely sites on Paturoa Rd and again they were "Architects sites". The rules for building in this part of Auckland and a lot of other areas are in our opinion very complex, often contradictory and from an outdated planning paradigm that gets added to in adhoc ways that just keep making things worse. The process to follow in making and processing applications is also too complex, contradictory and adhoc. There is very little certainty, so it is no wonder that Auckland is not building enough. Adding to this is the rapidly rising cost of land and building materials and you have the recipe for more stress. There are no easy answers to any of this, but we believe we all have to try. This what we teach our kids. We believe that the situation that has occurred at Paturoa Rd Titirangi is the outcome of the stress Auckland is under and the systems and processes we are given to work under. We believe that there needs to be a financial return for undertaking building work. Banks require it when they give you a mortgage, they don't call it a profit they call it the banks "margin of risk". Building is very risky, difficult, time consuming and prohibitively expensive. Jane & I did not make the rules but we have to work with them and follow the law. If we don't, we lose the right to be Architects. We believe in law and order, but as architects we also understand conflicting needs and different opinions, but to resolve these you need good systems and processes. We don't believe these are good enough in the present regulatory process. The Auckland Unitary Plan might be an opportunity to change this, but not by keeping those old systems and paradigms. Maybe we need to try some brand new things. Over the past few days we have been overwhelmed with the agendas of Council, politicians, protesters, and so on. We were quite normally private people but now we have been dragged into being public figures. We don't have media training and crisis management skills and there are some who want us to take all the blame. Our family, friends and colleagues and clients have been supporting us. So we have had to learn, adapt and change, because we are architects and that's what architects are trained to do. However we don't want to play the games of others, games of blame, conflict, and abuse, instead we have been trying to come up with solutions where no-one loses everything but we all compromise, and is something new and hopeful that looks forward and not backward. This is our Plan - Architects call it a design solution; 1. Let the trees stay including the kauri which we have been calling 500, and the Rimu called 300. It doesn't matter how old they are as they now need to stay. Some other trees might have to go - this is the compromise bit, but let's keep it to a minimum. Trees grow faster than you all think. Our wise elderly neighbour reckons the kauri "500" is only 70 years old like him. 2. Let's turn these two sites from a place of conflict and division to a place of hope, a place to come together and plan a different future. 3. Let's be innovative and consider new processes and new rules and prototype these and make it part of the Unitary Plan Process. 4. Let's build on these sites as we need to keep property law intact and create homes. Our NZ is about family and community and nature. Can we try and have it all with small compromises? 5. Let's build affordable, sustainable homes and try and fit as many as we can on these sites so that it works economically, socially and environmentally. If we throw out the current rules we could do something a lot better than where we had got to with these houses. 6. Let's take Jane and I out of the equation and give us fair compensation for our land and efforts to date as we have not broken the law and we need to encourage others to build and not be punished. Let's respect the laws we have and try to improve them in the future. 7. Let's allow Treescape and Vector, iwi and council to own the sites on the public's behalf and let's forgive them too. Give them a chance to try something new and create something better from this current mess. The compromise is they have to work together as a team and communicate quickly and professionally. That's our plan and this is what architects do. We make plans for the future. We hope everyone can support this, because then it will be the best 20th wedding anniversary!	WalOne (4202)
1396084	2015-03-12 20:38:00	Just to say I don't get attached to trees. I live in Waikanae, which is a tree loving area, there are parts where it is like living in the jungle, and it will only get worse with time..	Cicero (40)
1396085	2015-03-12 22:52:00	"Just to say I don't get attached to trees" That's what the Easter Islanders said as well, they liked using chopped down trees as rollers to roll big statue heads (Moai)(www.google.co.nz) around their island, soon no more trees then no more civilization on their island till colonists arrived to find them eating each other.	zqwerty (97)
1396086	2015-03-13 00:31:00	That's what the Easter Islanders said as well, they liked using chopped down trees as rollers to roll big statue heads ( Actually, thats all just the sanitized BS British version of history. We dont want 'civilised' nations looking bad over this do we :-) What we weren't told was it was a Scott, not the natives, who cleared the land so he could use it as a sheep farm We arnt told that the natives were forcibly taken away & used as slaves . We arnt told about the Euro diseases devastating the local population: smallpox, measles etc etc In fact , the native population were doing very well indead before Euro's etc arrived on the seen. They werent on the brink of starving to death . I give you the non Euro-sanitised version www.cgfi.org	1101 (13337)
1396087	2015-03-13 01:28:00	Rather believe Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org than nut-case sites thanks. Looks like a right-wing obfuscation site to me.	zqwerty (97)
1396088	2015-03-13 02:17:00	Rather believe Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org than nut-case sites thanks. Perhaps you should read that wiki article then and perhaps realise that wiki is not 100% true & accurate . in fact from wiki itself "In 2007, Michael Gorman, former president of the American Library Association (ALA) stated in an Encyclopædia Britannica blog that "A professor who encourages the use of Wikipedia is the intellectual equivalent of a dietician who recommends a steady diet of Big Macs with everything." The natives didnt cut down trees to move the statues. Thats already been proven, by actually moving a statue around using the walking method. That vid wont be hard to find. And deforestation doesnt lead to starvation. Thats how farms are made. Most countries were once covered in forests, they got cut down. that doesnt cause a population drop . judithcurry.com www.vayaadventures.com	1101 (13337)
1396089	2015-03-13 02:49:00	What I want to know is when those served with Trespass Notices and ignored them will appear in Court? :D	B.M. (505)
1396090	2015-03-13 04:14:00	"Just to say I don't get attached to trees" That's what the Easter Islanders said as well, they liked using chopped down trees as rollers to roll big statue heads (Moai)(www.google.co.nz) around their island, soon no more trees then no more civilization on their island till colonists arrived to find them eating each other. One must realise that there is an in-between regime. Always try to avoid slavishisity.	Cicero (40)
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