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Thread ID: 140016	2015-08-07 06:13:00	Random device on my network - general question	8ftmetalhaed (14526)	Press F1

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1406090	2015-08-08 03:17:00	So, friend comes to your house, asks for your wifi, shares it with their 3000 FB buddies, who know where you live because of the geotagged selfie on their timeline, next thing you are trying (in vain) to mount a defence against a 'skynet' prosecution because someone you "authorised" downloaded some Rhianna while parked outside your house? Sounds like an awesome feature...	fred_fish (15241)
1406091	2015-08-08 03:30:00	don't give them the password? or type the password in on their PC. If they do not know the password, they cannot share it your friend could just post your WiFi password on Facebook with your address	nmercer (3899)
1406092	2015-08-08 03:31:00	Wi-Fi sense also only allows Internet access, your friends cannot access anything else on your LAN Thats nothing new :) If a person has shared folders on their LAN its easy enough to restrict access to them, or to only allow certain people access. This has been around for many years. Having such a feature as Wi-Fi sense also only allows Internet access, is a dangerous feature anyway. Talk about a huge security risk. For years its been rammed into people don't give out your wi-Fi password, make it strong and secure. Now thanks to a turned on by default feature a person is doing just the opposite. Seems Microsoft want to make everyone able to connect to one another and to bad about security. Thankfully it can be disabled easy enough. or type the password in on their PC. If they do not know the password, they cannot share it Easy enough to get the password -- just look at the wireless connection and there's an option to show password once its been connected.	wainuitech (129)
1406093	2015-08-08 03:37:00	your friend could just post your WiFi password on Facebook with your address Yes they could, but not, by default, or by accident. don't give them the password? Unfortunately for Win10 users, I think that will be the result.	fred_fish (15241)
1406094	2015-08-08 03:44:00	Is it bluetooth? I can share my phones 4g network on my computer.	Kame (312)
1406095	2015-08-08 03:55:00	Just adding to my post above, the proof: Easy enough to get the password -- just look at the wireless connection and there's an option to show password once its been connected . Customers Laptop ( this is available on earlier OS's as well), tick the box and bingo - the password . Now if someone was dishonest it wouldn't be to hard to give to others . 6660	wainuitech (129)
1406096	2015-08-08 04:20:00	Indeed. The issue is not that people you give it to could be 'dishonest', which is already the case - this 'feature' makes it much more likely to have your password spread far and wide, without your knowlege, to a vast number of people, simply by your 'friend' being careless or clueless, maybe being not even aware they are doing it - or even who all their "contacts" are...	fred_fish (15241)
1406097	2015-08-08 04:44:00	Thats nothing new :) If a person has shared folders on their LAN its easy enough to restrict access to them, or to only allow certain people access. This has been around for many years. Having such a feature as Wi-Fi sense also only allows Internet access, is a dangerous feature anyway. Talk about a huge security risk. For years its been rammed into people don't give out your wi-Fi password, make it strong and secure. Now thanks to a turned on by default feature a person is doing just the opposite. Seems Microsoft want to make everyone able to connect to one another and to bad about security. Thankfully it can be disabled easy enough. Easy enough to get the password -- just look at the wireless connection and there's an option to show password once its been connected. It is not on by default. The person with the Wi-Fi network to share out, has to choose to share their network out.	nmercer (3899)
1406098	2015-08-08 04:44:00	For clarity Microsoft should have said (please correct me if I am wrong) "Automatically connect to networks that are shared to you by a network manager" instead of "Automatically connect to networks shared by your contacts" (I have in my mind that Share - Connect is the same relationship as Server - Client. In other words, sharing acts in the down direction only. When a visitor comes to our house they don't "share" our internet - they "connect" to our Access Point. And I "share" my internet to them by giving them the password.)	BBCmicro (15761)
1406099	2015-08-08 04:47:00	I'm either not explaining the feature properly, or there is a misunderstanding The key benefit to Wi-Fi Sense is that it is more secure than the current options and practices used today. 1. To share your existing WEP, WPA, WPA2 network today, you have to communicate your passphrase to someone else. If you are sharing your passphrase, my assumption is that it is less than 63 characters and likely fairly dictionary friendly 2. Once you share your passphrase with someone, you have no real method to revoke access or monitor whom or where they share this secrete with others. 3. Unless you use some form of Wireless Device Isolation, the wireless devices on your network can access other resources and machines on your network. Wi-Fi sense addresses all three points. 1. You can control which networks and to which group of friends (outlook, skype, facebook) your sharing your connection with. a. You have to be mutual contacts b. SSID, BSSID and Geographic location have to match 2. You can control who has access to your Wi-Fi networks a. Remove users from your contacts b. Forget Wi-Fi Sharing for that specific network c. Turn off Wi-Fi Sense d. Optout by changing the SSID of your Wi-Fi Network 3. Users never know or see your secret passphrase This allows you to potentially use a more complex passphrase which can help prevent against other brute force attacks 4. Wi-Fi Sense only provides Internet only access	nmercer (3899)
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