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Thread ID: 73329	2006-10-15 12:09:00	PC Freezes	DragonMaci (11307)	Press F1

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491692	2006-10-18 06:24:00	Sorry I guess I should have asked an expert. If I had realised you were the authority on cpu's I would have consulted you first. I wonder if some of those who set themselves up as experts realy know anything from practical experience or if they get their knowledge from magazines. Ive worked with many different combinations of motherboards and CPU's, and also read alot on online and offline content on the subject. But mainly unlike yourself im capable of pulling my head out of my ass and realising the truth. sinikk, Swifty PSU guide over at OCNZ is the defacto guide to PSU as far as im concerned. If he says its good then its good, although id still be concerned at the wattage, even on a quality PSU 350w is starting to be a bit on the lite side. Try testing other componets before dealing to the PSU, if you cant borrow or steal a spare PSU the easist option might be to take your entire PC into a local store and ask them to test the PSU. If your in Auckland give me a PM i can reckonmend a couple stores who i'd trust to test such things and provide an honest response.	Pete O'Neil (6584)
491693	2006-10-18 06:31:00	Nah, I'm in Christchurch. A lot of reviews have power consumption in them now. I might try looking for the power consuption for my CPU, graphics card, ect and add them up. See if they come near the power rating	sinikk (9925)
491694	2006-10-18 07:17:00	Theres a few power consumption calculators floating around on the net. Not that accurate but they might give you an idea of how much power you need.	Pete O'Neil (6584)
491695	2006-10-18 21:21:00	I found this one: www.extreme.outervision.com It reccomended about 300 Watts for my system. With a second hard drive and a mild overclock, (both of which I will be doing soon) it's just over 340 Wattts. Thats a wee bit too close to the rated value for me.	sinikk (9925)
491696	2006-10-18 23:15:00	A dual core cpu that only applies half it's resources to a program is useless for that program. Can't you understand that? Of course there was nothing wrong with the x2. It just lacked the resources to run the program properly If you want proof. Well faults with x2. Replace x2 with single core. Faults gone. Nothing else was done. A straight swap. Is that proof enough for you? JJJJJ, I read hardware reviews not ads. You know the sort of thing PC World does every issue? As for needing a dual core, well I do a lot of multitasking, including with process intensive things, so I get the the advantages of having dual core. It is not unusual for me to be working on the software I am making, running Firefox, using Media Player, using Windows Live Messenger, and possibly even more. So dual core is useful to me.	DragonMaci (11307)
491697	2006-10-18 23:25:00	Are you ever going to provide any actual proof JJJJJ, other than the rambling of an old man? If you could find anyone or anything to give your theory a smidgeon of crediability it could make for an interesting discusion, granted you'd still lose because you are wrong. Just because youve experienced anything doesnt necessarily make it true. For example if you were to provide a new PC user with a poorly constructed PC for their first computing experince, they would probably go away beleiving all computers are like that, when infact its the complete oposite. Your a fool for fixing your problem by wasting money on a new CPU. Im willing to bet there was nothing wrong with your CPU and if you had spent a lil time and effort doing some reserach into dual core optimizations you would have found a solution. Atleast stop providing advice to people who may not be capable of realising its false and just shut up. Your entitled to your misguided opinion but stop provide incorrect advice!!!!! Indeed some proof would be nice. I see little reason to trust JJJJJ over the many PC mags hardware review I have read, not to mention my own postive experience (the new setup for my Woosh connection has indeed fixed the problem, thus ruling out dual core being the cause of the problem). And indeed his experience doesn't prove his point. As anyone that is experienced with technology, especially computer, know, technology errors can and will appear in some instances but not others. And indeed he is a fool for spending money to fix his problem when optimization is the fix. There are three solutions: driver update, an MS patch, and the AMD Dual Core Optimizer when dealing with the X2s. Any one of them fix the issues. Why spend money getting a new processor when you can get software to do it for free? There is also the issue of whether JJJJJ uses XP Home or Professional as that makes a difference with Dual Core. And yes please do shut up about it JJJJJ.	DragonMaci (11307)
491698	2006-10-18 23:38:00	A dual core cpu that only applies half it's resources to a program is useless for that program. Can't you understand that? Of course there was nothing wrong with the x2. It just lacked the resources to run the program properly If you want proof. Well faults with x2. Replace x2 with single core. Faults gone. Nothing else was done. A straight swap. Is that proof enough for you? Not really. As I have said a few times now the problem is not hardware related. It is an issue of the way Windows handles multiple processors. So of course outting in single core fixes it. Windows handling of multiple processors isn't an issue when just one processor is used. There is an easier and cheapier fix though: one of the three peices of software I mentioned. They all small downloads so even someone on dialup can get them easily. Want proof? If so I could use your method: I have a dual core I installed the software and the issues I was having with it were solved. This was about a month ago now and the problems have still not returned.	DragonMaci (11307)
491699	2006-10-18 23:43:00	So whys that a bad thing? Just because your software isnt multithreaded doesnt mean a dual core is bad. Indeed. In fact these days very few programs are multithreading enabled. This will not be true for my software. Well here it makes sense to do so anyway. I wouldn't make say a alarm clock program mulithreaded as their is no point. If you opened your eyes you'd see that the dual core actually had more resources, with an extra 200MHz per core. You just failed to get the software to run properly on the new CPU. Indeed. Actual proof, by someone who actually knows what there doing. Simply replacing the CPU doesnt count. Indeed. Your problem was that you lacked the skills to get your software to work correctly with your dual core CPU. Its nothing to do with the CPU, if you were to run benchmarks and play other games you would have found that the dual core outperformed your old 3200+ in all situation. Indeed. Especially in you'd of got the aforementioned software.	DragonMaci (11307)
491700	2006-10-18 23:45:00	It's actually the same as a single core clocked at the same speed. Better, in fact, because any background apps and processes can run on the second core, meaning the first can devote all it's resorces to that program. That's definitly not useless, even if a cheaper, faster single-core could run the program better. EDIT: Dual cores consume more power, I think. So it could be a PSU problem caused by drawing too much power. That would be why switching to a single core processor solves the problem. Maybe. But then there are the Core 2 Duos which use very little power.	DragonMaci (11307)
491701	2006-10-18 23:49:00	I'm such a n00b. Athlon 64 3700+, 2.2GHz with a 1MB cache. Budget Gigabyte socket 939 motherbord. 512MBs of generic, no-name RAM. A 40 gig WD Caviar hard drive. A Saphire Radeon X700 Pro graphics card, 256MB VRAM, no power cable. A M-Audio Revolution 7.1 soundcard. And a FSP Group 350 Watt PSU. I think it might've come with the case. I'm not sure about the brand; but it had a FSP logo on the side when I last opened the case. Is this a good or bad PSU? Could it be guilty for my random freezes? Firstly, Gigabyte are not the best brand. DFar from it. ASUS are the best. My cousin sells computers and has never once had to send a ASUS motherboard in for repairs. Secondly, you should never use generic no-name RAM. Always go with brand RAM as it is way more reliable and has better performance. It is worth the extra money. Thirdly, a 350 Watt PSU isn't that great for modern CPUs. 400 Watt is better.	DragonMaci (11307)
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