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491682	2006-10-18 01:36:00	I . A crappy PSU is a little bit harder to detect, post back with the brand of PSU and the hardware in your system. Oh........... and just ignore JJJJJ, its an unspoken rule around here that you ignore anything he says about hardware. He gets a lil cranky about dual core because he beloved Flight Sim wont run stablely on it. . Well I took my own advice and got rid of the x2. I now have an athlon 64 4000+. Everything runs perfectly. If a program can only use half of the pcu it just suffocates the half it uses and then shuts down. So as I have said repeatedly a twin core is useless if you can only use half of it. Buying a twin core is a waste of money. a so-called 4200 that in practice is equal to a 2100. You read too many advertisements. And don't believe what you read in reviews. Just one persons opinion.	JJJJJ (528)
491683	2006-10-18 02:46:00	Are you ever going to provide any actual proof JJJJJ, other than the rambling of an old man? If you could find anyone or anything to give your theory a smidgeon of crediability it could make for an interesting discusion, granted you'd still lose because you are wrong. Just because youve experienced anything doesnt necessarily make it true. For example if you were to provide a new PC user with a poorly constructed PC for their first computing experince, they would probably go away beleiving all computers are like that, when infact its the complete oposite. Your a fool for fixing your problem by wasting money on a new CPU. Im willing to bet there was nothing wrong with your CPU and if you had spent a lil time and effort doing some reserach into dual core optimizations you would have found a solution. Atleast stop providing advice to people who may not be capable of realising its false and just shut up. Your entitled to your misguided opinion but stop provide incorrect advice!!!!!	Pete O'Neil (6584)
491684	2006-10-18 03:01:00	A dual core cpu that only applies half it's resources to a program is useless for that program. Can't you understand that? Of course there was nothing wrong with the x2. It just lacked the resources to run the program properly If you want proof. Well faults with x2. Replace x2 with single core. Faults gone. Nothing else was done. A straight swap. Is that proof enough for you?	JJJJJ (528)
491685	2006-10-18 03:26:00	A dual core cpu that only applies half it's resources to a program is useless for that program. Can't you understand that? So whys that a bad thing? Just because your software isnt multithreaded doesnt mean a dual core is bad. Of course there was nothing wrong with the x2. It just lacked the resources to run the program properly If you opened your eyes you'd see that the dual core actually had more resources, with an extra 200MHz per core. You just failed to get the software to run properly on the new CPU. If you want proof. Well faults with x2. Replace x2 with single core. Faults gone. Nothing else was done. A straight swap. Is that proof enough for you? Actual proof, by someone who actually knows what there doing. Simply replacing the CPU doesnt count. Your problem was that you lacked the skills to get your software to work correctly with your dual core CPU. Its nothing to do with the CPU, if you were to run benchmarks and play other games you would have found that the dual core outperformed your old 3200+ in all situation.	Pete O'Neil (6584)
491686	2006-10-18 03:39:00	A dual core cpu that only applies half it's resources to a program is useless for that program. Can't you understand that? It's actually the same as a single core clocked at the same speed. Better, in fact, because any background apps and processes can run on the second core, meaning the first can devote all it's resorces to that program. That's definitly not useless, even if a cheaper, faster single-core could run the program better. EDIT: Dual cores consume more power, I think. So it could be a PSU problem caused by drawing too much power. That would be why switching to a single core processor solves the problem.	sinikk (9925)
491687	2006-10-18 03:59:00	A crappy PSU is a little bit harder to detect, post back with the brand of PSU and the hardware in your system.How exactly do you detect a faulty PSU? Because ever since I added a new graphics card, my system's been randomly freezing too. Usually when I'm running a game, but I've had it crash in winamp and firefox as well. I had been blaiming overheating as it seems to be very difficult to reproduce and I didn't have anything else to blame. So how can I know if it's a PSU problem. I can post specs if it would be useful.	sinikk (9925)
491688	2006-10-18 05:00:00	post back with the brand of PSU and the hardware in your system. I can post specs if it would be useful. I'm such a n00b. Athlon 64 3700+, 2.2GHz with a 1MB cache. Budget Gigabyte socket 939 motherbord. 512MBs of generic, no-name RAM. A 40 gig WD Caviar hard drive. A Saphire Radeon X700 Pro graphics card, 256MB VRAM, no power cable. A M-Audio Revolution 7.1 soundcard. And a FSP Group 350 Watt PSU. I think it might've come with the case. I'm not sure about the brand; but it had a FSP logo on the side when I last opened the case. Is this a good or bad PSU? Could it be guilty for my random freezes?	sinikk (9925)
491689	2006-10-18 05:05:00	Never heard of a FSP Group PSU, so chances are they an't all that great. 350w is a lil on the lite side for the PC, check the ampage for the different rails. The easist way to test if the PSU is the fault is to replace it. Not the easist option if you dont have a spare, the other option requires some knowledge of electronics, for which i rely on an electrician friend. Dual cores do consume more power, but i doubt switching from single core to dual core would result in a system losing stabilty for power related reasons.	Pete O'Neil (6584)
491690	2006-10-18 05:54:00	some knowledge of electronics Like what? Just out of intrest. Been doing some research, and found that Fortron PSU's Use modle numbers starting with FSP. I think I might open the case and have a good look. Last time I went in there was to install the graphics card, so it might be a good idea to refresh my memory. www.overclockers.co.nz	sinikk (9925)
491691	2006-10-18 06:15:00	So whys that a bad thing? Just because your software isnt multithreaded doesnt mean a dual core is bad. Actual proof, by someone who actually knows what there doing. Simply replacing the CPU doesnt count. . Sorry I guess I should have asked an expert. If I had realised you were the authority on cpu's I would have consulted you first. I wonder if some of those who set themselves up as experts realy know anything from practical experience or if they get their knowledge from magazines.	JJJJJ (528)
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