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Thread ID: 73893	2006-11-05 00:15:00	Is there a way to tell if the hard drive will fit?	Fishy (10540)	Press F1

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496453	2006-11-06 10:03:00	Hate rude drivers. What about "sh!t computer" and "SATA crap". I haven't noticed any of that kind of stuff floating around in my computer.	johnd (85)
496454	2006-11-06 12:17:00	just a thought, is this a dell or hp machine? if so things could get difficult... rule of thumb: nearly all hard disks share identical physical dimensions give or take a couple of mm judging by age you have IDE (PATA) open it and check that you do infact have an available plug on an IDE cable (the wide usually grey one/s going into your cdrom drive and other hard drive) and advantage of SATA is much narrower cables, faster transfer (not yet fully utilised), better drives (NCQ, 16MB buffers etc), and most importantly: no F***ing around with slave/master issues. as two drives can be on the one cable, the drives and your motherboard must know which is which, so one is labelled the Slave and the other the Master. which is which means nothing, so dont worry about that, aslong as they aren't both set to the same thing. i hope it helps:nerd:	motorbyclist (188)
496455	2006-11-06 17:30:00	HUH? :illogical ? :horrified ? :groan: ? " two drives can be on the one cable, the drives and your motherboard must know which is which, so one is labelled the Slave and the other the Master . which is which means nothing, so dont worry about that, aslong as they aren't both set to the same thing . i hope it helps " Now I am confused a lot more . I don't suppose I can get this translated into the Queen's English . . . can I? I personally don't have any SATA drives, but my question goes along this line: 1) Are the SATA cables or the mobo connections labeled "Master" or "Slave" themselves? 2) Do SATAs have jumpers for M - S - CS ? 3) Can one buy a SATA expansion card for an existing mobo and thereby install SATAs? 4) Can I get the massive numbers of drives as I now have (8-200g, 1-40g root)? 5) What are the current (electrical) demands for spin-up and idle for the SATAs verses the Ultra/IDEs? I currently use a ENERMAX EG651P-VE, and I also have another ENERMAX GALAXY EGA1000EWL still in the box should I need it . 6) Will I see any better performance as I save videos and mp3's with SATAs or IDEs? 7) My 8-200g Maxtors have an 8mb cache and are Ultra ATAs at 7200 RPM; do you see any betterment with the SATAs should I convert? 8) I also have at my access about 30 SCSI drives . . . would these be a step in a better direction? I know that the nature of the SCSI bus allows it much better performance when doing data hungry tasks such as multi-tasking and the SCSI bus controller is capable of controlling the drives without any work by the processor . 9) I have two more Ultra expansion cards, one with 4 ports and the other with two ports, and room for just one more expansion card on the mobo . 10) Currently, my root drive is an Ultra mounted on a dual port Ultra expansion card and runs as boot disk . . etc . (This may be why Ubuntu got confused when I tried a dual-boot on this puter . . . the Dell with lots less drives and confusion is still running well with Mepis . . . . I learned to not try THAT again!) Ultimately I want to start an external stack of high capacity drives with many videos and MP3's . . . and will like to create this bank of individually accessable/callable drives with volumes of this data on a seperate power source, racked next to my main puter . Probably will move most of the 200g's out of the tower at that time too, leaving just enough for editing and conversions . I have dedicated another pair of Dell towers with filesharing for the overflow that I expect in the next few weeks, but this is not what I really want to do . They share files via another daisychained USB-2 hub, but the time for transfers is slow and not what I ultimately want . I am used to using a "Daisy Chain" with intelligent peripherals (read: their own semi-processors) like in the old Commodore days, and I think that it was a pretty good way to have data accessable and writeable and am thinking that I want to use this technique in my future stacked external archives . Any thoughts? At current archiving rates, I should need about 900g more in about 1 . 1 months from now, collecting about 20 vids a month @ 4-5 . 5g each . How are massive libraries like this stored/accessed/written for archival uses? Yes . . . I know this takes in a lot of areas . . . and yes . . . I don't expect all the answers from just one person . . . and yes . . . . this is complicated . . . Sorry and YES . . . I know this is at least a partial hijack of the original post, but it is generally the same area, ie: HDDS :groan: Maybe I can try an internal-server-LAN type system?	SurferJoe46 (51)
496456	2006-11-06 17:44:00	I would think Fishy is completly confused by now and has maybe shot himself or something.	kjaada (253)
496457	2006-11-06 23:43:00	I would think Fishy is completly confused by now and has maybe shot himself or something. Correct... I opened up the side and there is about 4 or 5 spaces for an extra hard drive. What I don't know about is whether theres enough cables? Plugged into the existing hard drive is a wide, skinny grey cable and some colourful skinny round wires. I traced the grey cable back to the source and theres a square full of them bundled together and them they plug into the motherboard, but I can't tell if theres any spare ones in that heap or not... There seems to be a hell of alot of the colourful skinny wires though. Help? And please in english, not technical jargon :waughh:	Fishy (10540)
496458	2006-11-06 23:46:00	Yes...I know this takes in a lot of areas...and yes...I don't expect all the answers from just one person...and yes....this is complicated...Sorry and YES...I know this is at least a partial hijack of the original post, but it is generally the same area, ie: HDDS :groan: Maybe I can try an internal-server-LAN type system? Joe start a new thread, the advice your looking for is fairly complicated. Also start again and try to fully explain your situation fully, its pretty hard to understand what you want to do? I assume you want to take your hard drives out of your current system and create a file server? Why are you using USB to connect 2 pc's together? Setting up a LAN would be far far better.	Pete O'Neil (6584)
496459	2006-11-07 00:19:00	All he wants to do is install another HDD. Some replies he gets are way over his head. For Fishy. The wide ribbon cable you have plugged in to yr present HDD will either have: After the HDD another spare plug on the end of it or it will be plugged in to something else.Usually tho it will have another plug free for another HDD or IDE device.Do not trace it back to the souce but trace the other way.	kjaada (253)
496460	2006-11-07 00:41:00	I took a photo with my phone. Sorry for the smallness and bad quality but the only thing i have to take pictures with is my phone. No digital camera :( img361.imageshack.us The grey wire that plugs into the HDD at the moment ends there. I traced back a little way and theres a plug but it won't reach any slot where a HDD could be plugged into :badpc: Am I supposed to be looking for something else?	Fishy (10540)
496461	2006-11-07 01:17:00	If you move the present HDD down to another slot then the other plug will do for yr new HDD that can go in to the old slot.	kjaada (253)
496462	2006-11-07 01:20:00	Why didn't i think of that :thumbs: If it unplug my existing HDD and move it will it still be the primary hard drive that loads the OS when i turn it on?	Fishy (10540)
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