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Thread ID: 73916	2006-11-05 19:34:00	Build a computer - your choices	Lizard (2409)	Press F1

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496648	2006-11-06 01:24:00	I agree with the points pctek has given. I have just recently completed a build that features an Asus am2 mobo and cpu, so if youd like to talk about a few options then just reply to the pm I sent you. :)	systm (9904)
496649	2006-11-06 03:42:00	Abit NF-M2 $248 . 95 - Nice lil AM2 mATX board, the onboard video should be sufficent for your friends needs, if not you can always add a video card later . Athlon64 X2 3800+ $308 . 49 - No explanation needed really . Kingston Value RAM DDR2-533 2x512mb Dual Channel Kit $243 . 45 - 1gb should be enough for your friend, and Kingston are good quality Seagate Barracuda 160gb $127 . 99 Asus DRW-1608P3S DVD Writer $74 . 07 - cheap Thermaltake Purepower 420w $98 . 75 - cheap, sufficient build quality and power Philips 170B6CB $434 . 70 All up that comes in at just over $1500, if you want a seperate video card and a LCD monitor then the budgets gonna have to increase . You could skimp on the motherboard and then get a cheap 7300 but you'd see lil improvement over the above and you have a cheap and nasty motherboard . Anyway thats what i'd build . You guys are like 6 months behind in your recommendations . I would go Intel E6300 Core 2 Duo $350 Gigabyte GA-965p-S3 $230 **or** Asus P5B $280 1 gig of DDR2 667 Corsair X2 (2x512MB) $235 This platform will Destroy the X2 3800+ at stock speeds, but overclock it to 3gig+ and the X2 will cry mummy . """If you plan to overclock 667 or 800 ram is important'''' . Every benchmark on the net has the C2D processors destroying the X2's . I won't bother posting a huge bunch of comparisons just old toms with the multple comparison charts . . tomshardware . com/cpu . html?modelx=33&model1=430&model2=464&chart=158" target="_blank">www23 . tomshardware . com BTW my last 3 platforms were AMD, before anyone starts crying "Intel fanboy" If you plan to shop at Ascent add 20% lol .	Master_Frost (9951)
496650	2006-11-06 03:55:00	You guys are like 6 months behind in your recommendations. I would go Intel E6300 Core 2 Duo $350 Gigabyte GA-965p-S3 $230 **or** Asus P5B $280 1 gig of DDR2 667 Corsair X2 (2x512MB) $235 If you did your sums you'd realise that you cant possibly fit a Core 2 Duo and a LCD into the specified budget. Based on the describtion of the intended users need they would benefit more from a nice LCD screen than a slightly faster CPU. Being realistic the user would hardly notice the difference between the E6300 and the 3800+ in their intend task. The Abit NF-M2 has intergrated 6150 graphics meaning there isnt a need for a seperate video card. The prices you've quoted would push the system well over the $1500 budget and that doesnt include a video card as neither the Gigabyte GA-965-S3 and the ASUS P5B have intergrated video. This would meaning you'd need to speed atleast another $150 for a video card that would only perform marginally better than whats intergrated into the Abit board. Nobody on this forum is debating that the Core 2 Duo is a better chip, but unlike yourself we actually read the orignal post properly and made realistic reckonmendations. Do you really expect someone who plays the Sims and surfs the internet to overclock? Also if you ever want to shift someone opionion or prove a point dont use Toms Hardware as your reference. I'm not saying Core 2 Duo doesnt clean house with anything AMD can provide because it does. But Toms Hardware lost repect from the majority of hardware ethusiasts along time ago,	Pete O'Neil (6584)
496651	2006-11-06 06:22:00	I accept what you are saying about the video card, however the O/B is going to suck from the outset and he will be looking to replace it in a very short time, so this is not much of a solution. The O/B GeForce 6100 struggles to get 20FPS even in Wow (have this in another PC). He may as well bite the bullet and buy the better platform from the outset with at least a 7600GT which will add another $280 ish. At the end of the day after he has purchase the video card for either the X2 or C2D, the C2D platform will be less than $150 more expensive, easily the better platform long term and a better investment. PS, I put the comments about overclocking in double quotation marks for a reason ""IF IF IF"" he planned to, at least he would have the option. PS2, Really to the Toms hardware site, wow I never knew that (sarcasm) you are recommending X2, Maybe Toms is more your cup of tea lol.	Master_Frost (9951)
496652	2006-11-06 23:31:00	I accept what you are saying about the video card, however the O/B is going to suck from the outset and he will be looking to replace it in a very short time, so this is not much of a solution . The O/B GeForce 6100 struggles to get 20FPS even in Wow (have this in another PC) . The user has no intention of playing WOW, perhaps you should go back and read the original post . The only game mentioned is the Sims, the 6100 is more than sufficient for playing the Sims . If at a later stage the user decides to play more demanding game they can easily add a new video card when they have more money available . PS2, Really to the Toms hardware site, wow I never knew that (sarcasm) you are recommending X2, Maybe Toms is more your cup of tea lol . What the hell are you talking about? you make no sense . Athlon64 X2's are fine chips, they might not be top of the line but for their price they offer awesome value . When someone says they have a budget of $1500 that means they have $1500 to spend, telling them to go spend $1800+ on a system they don't need is pretty silly . Perhaps you should stop making unrealistic recommendation's and go back to reading Toms Hardware . GP Forums would be better suited to your unrealistic advice . Lizard have you made any purchasing decisions? I'd be interested to see what part you chose .	Pete O'Neil (6584)
496653	2006-11-07 01:13:00	GP Forums would be better suited to your unrealistic advice . zing . . . .	systm (9904)
496654	2006-11-07 01:42:00	The user has no intention of playing WOW, perhaps you should go back and read the original post . The only game mentioned is the Sims, the 6100 is more than sufficient for playing the Sims . If at a later stage the user decides to play more demanding game they can easily add a new video card when they have more money available . What the hell are you talking about? you make no sense . Athlon64 X2's are fine chips, they might not be top of the line but for their price they offer awesome value . When someone says they have a budget of $1500 that means they have $1500 to spend, telling them to go spend $1800+ on a system they don't need is pretty silly . Perhaps you should stop making unrealistic recommendation's and go back to reading Toms Hardware . GP Forums would be better suited to your unrealistic advice . Lizard have you made any purchasing decisions? I'd be interested to see what part you chose . No decisions yet - my friend has had to re-assess her priorities, and probably won't be doing anything for a couple of months, by which time the whole market will have shifted again . . . Thanks to those who suggested specific hardware . I'm aware that there are better configurations to be had for a bit more money, but it would be wasted on this person . I'd be inclined, at this stage, to prioritise the LCD, gfx card, RAM and HDD ($900 approx) with middle of the range mobo, cpu, optical, and a good quality 400W+ PSU ($600 approx) .	Lizard (2409)
496655	2006-11-07 01:48:00	Forget Core Duo. The PC boy racers might care but this PC has a budget. Sims might be the game of the moment but it isn't going to stay that way, I'd invest in a good graphics card and stuff the Core Duo.	pctek (84)
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