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Thread ID: 75921	2007-01-14 21:30:00	Telecom has just hiked home line charges	Chris Keall (10417)	Press F1

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516083	2007-01-17 07:35:00	OK, this may be true, i don't use ISP email as i have me_own_email@me_own_domain , so if the_address_i_cant_even_remember@paradice.net.nz did fail or have issues, i wouldn't notice. I have a little difficulty understanding why anyone who values email communication that much is using a user@isp address when we could either have ones own domain(s) for professionalism, or Gmail for personal or forums and the like.. Different swings for different kids in the email game i suppose. Every no and then i gag when i see companys using company_name@xtra as the official email address. This as well as looking really unpro, this binds them with a certain ISP far more than any issues with cable vs ADSL Totally agree. Real companies should have their own domain based email address, which makes it easy for them to change suppliers. ISP emails are ok for a backup address, but not for an everyday company address. I mean would a company setup their postal mailing address to first send to telecom, who then sends it onto the company. Ignoring the time delay, it just look unprofessional.	rogerp (6864)
516084	2007-01-17 07:36:00	Which group would you say has been the worst affected in the telecommunications field in recent years? Deaf people who didn't have equal access to the telephone network until about 2004 when the NZ relay service (www.nzrelay.co.nz) was started (they fought hard for years for this), or people starved of high speed broadband? NZ is a free country, not a communist state. People can criticize in this country.Not only have we gone on a huge tangent here, but at risk of being unPC, i kinda have to say, so what? OK, so there is now a facility where upon people can effectively email a phone call, or perhaps it is better described as IM a phone call. OK, fine, but really, today, or for that matter in 2004, did/does that really provide that much given that most people email or IM to email or IM directly without the conversion to speech? More and more bizzo is being done by email rather than the rude and intrusive medium of the telephone which utterly fails to keep information recorded unless the call recipiant happens to have a pen handy, as they are driving with cellphone in the other hand.. :p	personthingy (1670)
516085	2007-01-17 07:49:00	Totally agree. Real companies should have their own domain based email address, which makes it easy for them to change suppliers. ISP emails are ok for a backup address, but not for an everyday company address.............Actually... there are other issues with ISP email addresses... Once upon a time there was a certain ISP who would only allow customers to pick up their email IF the customer was connected to the net via that ISP at the time. In other words Jo_Xtra_user want's to pick up mail. Jo visits me, and i hooks Jos lappy up to my home network so Jo has net connection, and Xtra spits errors at Jo about how he can't log into the mail server, and no, i'm talking about pop3 mail pick up, not Jo's mail leaving. I don't know if they do that now, but they have in the past. I've never had these sorts of problems as paradise have never had issues with customers doing the dirty and connecting to the net via whatever they could find at the time. Paradise is not a jealous ISP. Paradise allows it customers to get their mail nomatter what hotel they are in. My domain register provides my email servers anyway, which also bypasses possessive ISP issues :)	personthingy (1670)
516086	2007-01-17 08:45:00	Actually... there are other issues with ISP email addresses... Once upon a time there was a certain ISP who would only allow customers to pick up their email IF the customer was connected to the net via that ISP at the time. In other words Jo_Xtra_user want's to pick up mail. Jo visits me, and i hooks Jos lappy up to my home network so Jo has net connection, and Xtra spits errors at Jo about how he can't log into the mail server, and no, i'm talking about pop3 mail pick up, not Jo's mail leaving. I don't know if they do that now, but they have in the past. They still do that. Xtra customers have to pay an extra monthly charge to be able to access their mail from other ISPs. That dirty tactic has stopped a lot of people from moving away from Xtra.	Greven (91)
516087	2007-01-17 08:48:00	I think that rule is still there . In the past I had LAN card net and boy that was fast and then now and then I had to use dialup to download my email from the ISP . I used webmail and each time I replied I had to BBC it to myself, surprisinly when you download this email and pop it in your sent folder it has no problems whatsoever in catalogueing . Some ISPs has a service you pay per month so you can access your pop mails from a diff ISP . Interesting I have tried it these weeks since I switched ISP and went with a diff one for BB my old emails still come in . Some also have workaround that you can activate mail forwarding for free (online at your user details) . Mine can do that (Clear Net), they also have Mail+ which is $5/month which caters that but it also caters other stuff like, holiday mail notification to each email author and other bits and pieces . I dont have enof experience to say, but some ISPs I think have user charge that is per hour you on it, so if you dont use they won't bill you and you still keep your email . Some ISPs may not have this and may have like 15hr per month for like $10, if you don't use it I am not sure how those pple can keep their email addy other than paying for something and don't go online .	Nomad (952)
516088	2007-01-18 22:34:00	Not only have we gone on a huge tangent here, but at risk of being unPC, i kinda have to say, so what? I am referring to what I regard as appalling treatment of users in the telecommunications field. It's the same thing I think rather than a tangent. If you were to go deaf, will you be consistent and say there shouldn't be a relay service? Would you be happy for your telephone to be taken away? What I am saying is that telecommunications users should have the best services to compete against the world and to participate in society.	barryk (8612)
516089	2007-01-18 22:41:00	Actually . . . there are other issues with ISP email addresses . . . Once upon a time there was a certain ISP who would only allow customers to pick up their email IF the customer was connected to the net via that ISP at the time . In other words Jo_Xtra_user want's to pick up mail . Jo visits me, and i hooks Jos lappy up to my home network so Jo has net connection, and Xtra spits errors at Jo about how he can't log into the mail server, and no, i'm talking about pop3 mail pick up, not Jo's mail leaving . I don't know if they do that now, but they have in the past . I've never had these sorts of problems as paradise have never had issues with customers doing the dirty and connecting to the net via whatever they could find at the time . Paradise is not a jealous ISP . Paradise allows it customers to get their mail nomatter what hotel they are in . My domain register provides my email servers anyway, which also bypasses possessive ISP issues :) Actually paradise do something that is worse . If you host a webite with them, they only allow you to upload your website, if you are actually connected to the paradise ISP . Therefore if you are maintaining someones website that is hosted on paradise, you also need to use paradise as your ISP to update the website . I believe vodafone also prevent people accessing a pop connection, unless you are connected to the vodafone network, so other ISPs also do this .	rogerp (6864)
516090	2007-01-19 04:51:00	I am referring to what I regard as appalling treatment of users in the telecommunications field. It's the same thing I think rather than a tangent. If you were to go deaf, will you be consistent and say there shouldn't be a relay service? Would you be happy for your telephone to be taken away? What I am saying is that telecommunications users should have the best services to compete against the world and to participate in society.If i were to go deaf??? My hearing isn't that great.. I'm in my mid forties. I've worked and played around loud live gigs and stages most of my life, so my hearing about what you might expect of a builder of the same age. I'd happily lose my Phone! i only just got it back on recently as telstra do not force cable modem users to have a land line as well, i didn't need a land-line, and for the amount it gets used, i wonder why i bothered. The point is, most of either my business and social communication is done by email, so the phone isn't a biggy. As more and more of the planet communicate by email, the need for a speech line continues to diminish.If i were to go stone deaf tommorow, that would be $30 less a month i'd spend, and it really would be no loss. The other thing is what you are talking about is a new service, not a price rise or renegotiation on an existing service	personthingy (1670)
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