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| 523345 | 2007-02-07 15:27:00 | If you practice good internet use and apply all patches from MS you don't need to have any anti virus software at allHate to disagree with you Rob... but you need to keep in mind that many, or even most patches from MS are in response to the threats that appear. Therefore a computer can be infected by a new virus even before it's known by MS. | Greg (193) | ||
| 523346 | 2007-02-08 00:08:00 | That's a pretty sweeping statement. My computer holds critical data and in the several years of using AVG's free product I've never had a problem that it didn't identify and sort out. If you practice good internet use and apply all patches from MS you don't need to have any anti virus software at all I don't know the thread starter from a bar of soap, I do not know his/her capabilities re security and apps, I do not know what data he/she has and what his/her primary uses are for the computer. So, given the incomplete information, he/she gets generic sweeping advice, which is nevertheless good and prudent advice as far as I'm concerned. Greg, how do you support you evidence that you have never been infected using a free AV and, Rob, how do you support that AV and other measures are unnecessary if we all did as you do (you don't mention a NAT router, nor do we know whether the thread starter posses one). Remembering that evidence only requires one contrary instance to prove that its not an irrefutable law, both statements seem to be pretty general, sweeping remarks based on a narrow premise, your own, possibly unique, situation. To both of you, good luck to you and you (critical?) data. For myself, I don't like taking the chance. Oh, and BTW, my sons machine which does use AVG (latest defs), got infected the other day (from behind a NAT router) by a malicious programme that loaded itself with no discernible effort from my son apart from visiting at a games site. I might add he was sans firewall, since rectified. The nasty was not a data cruncher, but food for thought all the same. Edit: Good point re patches Greg. A case in point is the latest "highly critical" MS Office flaw which is unpatched but, according to MS, is being exploited. |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 523347 | 2007-02-08 00:49:00 | You can also run ProcessGuard too! | KiwiTT_NZ (233) | ||
| 523348 | 2007-02-08 01:17:00 | I don't know the thread starter from a bar of soap, I do not know his/her capabilities re security and apps, I do not know what data he/she has and what his/her primary uses are for the computer . So, given the incomplete information, he/she gets generic sweeping advice, which is nevertheless good and prudent advice as far as I'm concerned . Greg, how do you support you evidence that you have never been infected using a free AV and, Rob, how do you support that AV and other measures are unnecessary if we all did as you do (you don't mention a NAT router, nor do we know whether the thread starter posses one) . Remembering that evidence only requires one contrary instance to prove that its not an irrefutable law, both statements seem to be pretty general, sweeping remarks based on a narrow premise, your own, possibly unique, situation . To both of you, good luck to you and you (critical?) data . For myself, I don't like taking the chance . Oh, and BTW, my sons machine which does use AVG (latest defs), got infected the other day (from behind a NAT router) by a malicious programme that loaded itself with no discernible effort from my son apart from visiting at a games site . I might add he was sans firewall, since rectified . The nasty was not a data cruncher, but food for thought all the same . Edit: Good point re patches Greg . A case in point is the latest "highly critical" MS Office flaw which is unpatched but, according to MS, is being exploited . Thats a good post Murray . . . . Out of interest, what browser was your son using when he went to the infeated game site . What program/demo/patch/mod, did he download? I too use AVG/Comodo behind Firewalled Router (not NAT) and have done since being back in NZ . I do use Limewire sometimes, but use Firefox for browsing and I too have yet to be caught with a nasty . As for using a free AV program to protect critical data, anyone who valued that data would have a backup routine anyway . :2cents: |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 523349 | 2007-02-08 01:32:00 | Out of interest, what browser was your son using when he went to the infeated game site . What program/demo/patch/mod, did he download? As for using a free AV program to protect critical data, anyone who valued that data would have a backup routine anyway . :2cents: He was using Firefox, it happened a day or two before the latest FF update . I don't know the site nor what, or even if he did, download . FYI the malware was a programme called AntiVermins (also know as AntiVearms and various other monickers) . I suspect that it loaded via a windows vulnerability and probably jumped in when he clicked an otherwise innocent looking link . The programmes loads about 5 processes which spawn if you end the process . There are a couple of cleaners out there, one asks for money once you've gone so far down the eradication track, the other is genuine (I don't know which, after doing some initial research I made him clean his own mess, so am not privy to the details . Google if you're interested) . Interestingly the exe's it loads into process at start up are different to the ones listed in one of the cleaner tools, I suspect the makers of this crud regularly change the names and signature of the files to fool cleaners . Backups are good . The lost revenue while restoring stuffed systems and files isn't good, especially when that downtime is, by and large, preventable by the use of software and prudent measures . |
Murray P (44) | ||
| 523350 | 2007-02-08 06:11:00 | sorry murray for the lack of info but i am requiring an anti virus to protect my computer from general use i.e internet banking web browsing etc.. | Banking (10989) | ||
| 523351 | 2007-02-08 06:25:00 | sorry murray for the lack of info but i am requiring an anti virus to protect my computer from general use i.e internet banking web browsing etc.. In other words, you're Average Home User. I'm one also, and have found the free version of avast! serves my purpose well. |
Laura (43) | ||
| 523352 | 2007-02-08 06:59:00 | Greg, how do you support you evidence that you have never been infected using a free AVI was hit by a trojan twice about a year ago. This was via a vulnerability in Windows Media Player before I patched it. Anti-virus apps are not the most efficient tools to deal with trojans. But AVG identified them and cleaned them out. | Greg (193) | ||
| 523353 | 2007-02-08 12:39:00 | A fairly limited sample then Greg . i . e . will it catch all trojans . BTW, a good heuristics engine is what you need to catch the wriggly ones . Banking, you'll probably be fine with AVG or Avast . I trialled Avast a few years ago and found it to be a bit of a hog and to cause a few stability issues . That may have been unique to me though, although talk in the forums at the time suggests there were some issues for certain folk . No doubt it's well in hand by know . BTW, I'm not flipping paranoid . . . I'm completely normal in every respect . . . OK!!! |
Murray P (44) | ||
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