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Thread ID: 76914	2007-02-20 09:30:00	Vista: Isn't it Ridiculous!	Chemical Ali (118)	Press F1

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526253	2007-02-22 19:08:00	Like motorbyclist said, who would find all the bugs in Vista if no one used it? Obviously Microsoft can't do it themselves. If people want to pay to "beta test" then they can do so. I know I am going to. Why? Because eventually it will become fully operational and flawless - Like XP is now (Pretty much, anyway) So thank me when SP2 comes out for finding all the bugs for you. And what's this about all the driver support? I'm prolly gonna get myself into a hole with what works and what doesn't. I'm not much of a computer whiz, so could someone tell me if things like printers and ipods and whatnot work?	--Wolf-- (128)
526254	2007-02-23 12:03:00	Like motorbyclist said, who would find all the bugs in Vista if no one used it? Obviously Microsoft can't do it themselves. If people want to pay to "beta test" then they can do so. I know I am going to. Why? Because eventually it will become fully operational and flawless - Like XP is now (Pretty much, anyway) So thank me when SP2 comes out for finding all the bugs for you. And what's this about all the driver support? I'm prolly gonna get myself into a hole with what works and what doesn't. I'm not much of a computer whiz, so could someone tell me if things like printers and ipods and whatnot work? Are you for real, no don't don't answer that, it'll only disappoint. MS, last time I looked, do not release their software under the GPL, nor is it freeware. ....... Hang, I get it now, you're one of the foundation members of Young Marxist Revolutionary Communist League For Advancement Of Capitalism. You do realise that that sort of attitude perpetuates the foisting of crap products on hapless consumers and keeps car sharks and snake oil merchants gainfully employed? Nah, I guess you don't. So thank me when SP2 comes out for finding all the bugs for you. Sorry, the only thing I'll credit you with, is heling deliver incomplete product at a high price. Ta very much champ.	Murray P (44)
526255	2007-02-24 00:04:00	Sorry, the only thing I'll credit you with, is heling deliver incomplete product at a high price. Ta very much champ. look, just consider that several million of him are finding bugs MUCH faster than a few hundred MS employees.... it's his hard work that mean we can get a usable product faster, and feel good in our knowledge that we know better:thumbs: no offense intended to WolfForest22:o if everyone thought "i won't buy it until sp2", sp2 will be a LONG way off	motorbyclist (188)
526256	2007-02-24 00:43:00	And what's this about all the driver support? I'm prolly gonna get myself into a hole with what works and what doesn't. I'm not much of a computer whiz, so could someone tell me if things like printers and ipods and whatnot work? ipods yes, apple have updated itunes. As for printers you shouldn't have a problem with a modern printer. But if you have one thats out of the ark there will be problems. I applaud MS if this is on purpose, this one of the reasons windows has a lot of issues the fact they try and support a lot of legacy hardware. There has to be a cut off point somewhere for support.	plod (107)
526257	2007-02-24 01:17:00	look, just consider that several million of him are finding bugs MUCH faster than a few hundred MS employees . . . . it's his hard work that mean we can get a usable product faster, and feel good in our knowledge that we know better:thumbs: no offense intended to WolfForest22:o if everyone thought "i won't buy it until sp2", sp2 will be a LONG way off I think you'll find that the software would be vastly improved first up, with a less to have major upgrades such as SPs . You also ignore the fact that for many, especially those who rely on productivity, the bugs are a real cost . There is also the issue that amongst all the marketing glitz, MS does not declare to potential purchasers that the software is not a finished product, is incomplete . I'm not talking about achieving something that is bug free, pristine in every way . That is not possible, but something that is closer to the finished product and does not have the potential to cost (and/or harm) it's users beyond the initial price would be nice . Is that not an ideal to strive for, is that not a fair and reasonable request?	Murray P (44)
526258	2007-02-24 02:39:00	I think you'll find that the software would be vastly improved first up, with a less to have major upgrades such as SPs. You also ignore the fact that for many, especially those who rely on productivity, the bugs are a real cost. There is also the issue that amongst all the marketing glitz, MS does not declare to potential purchasers that the software is not a finished product, is incomplete. I'm not talking about achieving something that is bug free, pristine in every way. That is not possible, but something that is closer to the finished product and does not have the potential to cost (and/or harm) it's users beyond the initial price would be nice. Is that not an ideal to strive for, is that not a fair and reasonable request? no, you aren't listening. if microsoft was to release a reasonably bug-free os, we wouldn't be seeing vista untill atleast 2009. if you're dumb enough to convert some critical process to vista you shouldn't be in charge of that process. but i do agree MS should give more warning. if someone is willing to be our crash-test dummy, they're welcome to. all it means is we get the (near) finished product sooner.	motorbyclist (188)
526259	2007-02-24 02:49:00	if someone is willing to be our crash-test dummy, they're welcome to. all it means is we get the (near) finished product sooner. It also means the "crash-test dummies" get the (near) finished product sooner too. Which gives everyone two options. A) Hold off and not contribute to helping finalize a very good product B) Help everyone, not just MS, by purchasing Vista and helping find bugs. I don't think I am going to have many problems with Vista when I get it, my new pc will be able to run it very well, and to my knowledge all my drivers and whatnot will work. I mean sure, there may be a few bugs but it still ****ing works!!! If Vista was known to not work at all, or better yet, ruin your pc then sure, hold off. Otherwise really, you have no reason to wait until SP2.	--Wolf-- (128)
526260	2007-02-24 02:53:00	It also means the "crash-test dummies" get the (near) finished product sooner too. Which gives everyone two options. A) Hold off and not contribute to helping finalize a very good product B) Help everyone, not just MS, by purchasing Vista and helping find bugs. I don't think I am going to have many problems with Vista when I get it, my new pc will be able to run it very well, and to my knowledge all my drivers and whatnot will work. I mean sure, there may be a few bugs but it still ****ing works!!! If Vista was known to not work at all, or better yet, ruin your pc then sure, hold off. Otherwise really, you have no reason to wait until SP2. well i'm holding off to save myself the hassle of major security issues, and in the vain hope that the price might come down.... plus my objection to the system requirements and 'anti' piracy crap we've all got choices, and in this case neither option harms anyone else so what's the issue?	motorbyclist (188)
526261	2007-02-24 03:06:00	man how come everyone is having problems with their vista.. i am using the 64bit which should be me more problenms but but all driver work fine.. must be the core duo or something...	AMD (11356)
526262	2007-02-24 03:08:00	look, just consider that several million of him are finding bugs MUCH faster than a few hundred MS employees.... it's his hard work that mean we can get a usable product faster, and feel good in our knowledge that we know better:thumbs: Isn't that what the beta releases were for? So you're happy to pay a gigantic price for a product that is pretty much still in beta? Scary.	byte (11156)
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