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Thread ID: 139865	2015-07-13 02:48:00	Can I have a $ each way please?	B.M. (505)	PC World Chat

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1404636	2015-07-24 23:55:00	And I must admit B.M., after reading the two articles on that last link I'm starting to doubt the seriousness of the whole climate change issue although not that it's happening (at least in some degree) or that continuing on as we are is a good Idea. I never disagreed on the stupidity of the political side of it all. Excellent, you are seeing the light. :thumbs: You see that all that has really happened is that the “Global Warming Alarmists”, having been caught fudging their figures and being dismissed for their trouble, are now trying to coat-tail a ride on Climate Change which is quite different. Climate Change has been going on for as far as you can go back in time, and well before Motor Cars, Coal Fired Power Stations, Population Explosions, or Cows Farting. There must be considerable embarrassment among the Global Warming disciples, but changing a dogs name doesn’t change the dog. ;)	B.M. (505)
1404637	2015-07-25 02:57:00	Introduced maybe last 200 years by us whities and dogs by Maori 800 years back. Plenty of tundra about to preserve animal bones eg mamoths. A good example is our human race explosion over the last 200 years. lurking Not really sure what you're getting at, care to expand on that? Rats came With Maori also and there are some that believe maybe even sooner, up to 2000 years ago in fact. Tundra doesn't preserve bones, look up the fossilisation process if you're actually interested. And the race explosion is a good example of what exactly?	dugimodo (138)
1404638	2015-07-25 04:31:00	Not really sure what you're getting at, care to expand on that? Rats came With Maori also and there are some that believe maybe even sooner, up to 2000 years ago in fact. Tundra doesn't preserve bones, look up the fossilization process if you're actually interested. And the race explosion is a good example of what exactly? Then rats must have disposed of the bulk of Kiwi, over the last 2000 years. www.livescience.com Fossilization would therefore form the most part of the earths crust, one would think. Exponential growth is what drives my argument on all this global/climate change argument, 30,000,000 years of Kiwi breeding 500,000,000 of dinosaurs breeding. Must have eaten themselves out of house and home one would have thought. Human population 6000BC 200,000,000 2014AD 4,116,000,000 not a bad increase for 8000 years and look at the sorry state we are in, for feeding all these folk. dug, these are my thoughts on a "bob each way". lurking.	Lurking (218)
1404639	2015-07-25 05:12:00	That mammoth was basically frozen not sure how it follows from that to suppose the earths crust is full of fossils. It's a rare event, in fact the only one of it's kind ever found. Organic matter, including bone, breaks down and rots away to nothing almost always. Sure bones last a lone time but thousands of years is unusual and millions very rare. www.k5geosource.org Dinosaurs died out due to some kind of catastrophic event, generally believed to be a meteor strike, causing their environment to alter too much for most of them to survive. I'm with you on population growth though, something really needs to be done about that IMHO. We as humans seem to act like expanding into every square inch of the planet and killing off all wild animals is not only no big deal but is the right and natural thing for us to do. I disagree. I'd love to see humanity limit itself to not occupying more than 50% of the land and spend the next few centuries working towards that goal. Lets leave at least half the planet for other species besides us to use I say.	dugimodo (138)
1404640	2015-07-25 05:47:00	Fossils/Limestone, when we lived in Dannevirke for a few years, we used to walk out to Tiratu Road shooting rabbits etc, and if you look at Google Maps you will see where we used to come across sea shells by the hundred in those drop outs. And we used to marvel at that as the sea was miles away. Mind you the former Mayor of W(h)anganui Michael LAWS used to say on his radio show, that Dannevirke was the a***hole of NZ, he must have been in those valleys tooo, rofl. So one can see how shite builds up. www.dailymail.co.uk If bones were to rot away over time, then the above deformed skeleton should have done so in 600 years, although England is renown for it's peat soil. lurking.	Lurking (218)
1404641	2015-07-25 07:04:00	With regard to population and food: 'Due to its dramatic impact on the human ability to grow food, the Haber process served as the "detonator of the population explosion", enabling the global population to increase from 1.6 billion in 1900 to today's 7 billion. Nearly 80% of the nitrogen found in human tissues originated from the Haber-Bosch process. Since nitrogen use efficiency is typically less than 50%, our heavy use of industrial nitrogen fixation is severely disruptive to our biological habitat.' From en.wikipedia.org	KarameaDave (15222)
1404642	2015-07-25 10:23:00	With regard to population and food: 'Due to its dramatic impact on the human ability to grow food, the Haber process served as the "detonator of the population explosion", enabling the global population to increase from 1.6 billion in 1900 to today's 7 billion. Nearly 80% of the nitrogen found in human tissues originated from the Haber-Bosch process. Since nitrogen use efficiency is typically less than 50%, our heavy use of industrial nitrogen fixation is severely disruptive to our biological habitat.' From en.wikipedia.org That's all very well, but in following that link, what should be blatantly announced but " catalysts are prepared by decomposition of triruthenium dodecacarbonyl on graphite." If Patricia Bartlett saw that, she might well suffer total discombobulation of her phoo-phoo valve. Be aware that even with combobulation in full flight, she was pretty nigh insufferable in her own mind. Beware Sir of conjuring up Djins, you know not what you might call forth.	R2x1 (4628)
1404643	2015-07-25 10:55:00	Not afraid of Djins, have sufficient lemons and soda. ;)	KarameaDave (15222)
1404644	2015-07-25 11:55:00	No need for lemons with the Bartlett on the prowl. She could out-sour a mother-in-law convention and raid two bookstores before breakfast on her day off. :yuck:	R2x1 (4628)
1404645	2015-07-25 17:50:00	I am convinced that human industrial activity circa 1820+ contributes to the Earth's climate . Essentially the effects are pollution . Smoke, heavy metals, hydrocarbons released into the biosphere . Nevertheless BM and others are right to point to the Sun which purely as an energy source overwhelmingly dominates our yearly climate . There is plenty of research and SF novels which predict a snowball Earth . Regardless, the real question for each of of us is - are we content to burn hydrocarbons and lead etc which kill an almost unaccountably vast amount of creatures which our children will only see in museums . Already corals are dying - check out the Great Barrier Reef .	Winston001 (3612)
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