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Thread ID: 139865	2015-07-13 02:48:00	Can I have a $ each way please?	B.M. (505)	PC World Chat

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1404796	2015-08-10 05:27:00	Here's my theory as to why there are increasing extremes of temperature, summers getting hotter, winters getting cooler. It's all due to the millions of heat pumps in use around the world. In the summer with air conditioners and heat pump units going full blast to keeps houses cold, they are pumping out vast quantities of heat to the outside to make the summer even hotter. In winter they are going full belt to keep houses warm, and pump out vast quantities of cold to make the winters even colder. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:	Terry Porritt (14)
1404797	2015-08-10 06:47:00	Here's my theory as to why there are increasing extremes of temperature, summers getting hotter, winters getting cooler. It's all due to the millions of heat pumps in use around the world. In the summer with air conditioners and heat pump units going full blast to keeps houses cold, they are pumping out vast quantities of heat to the outside to make the summer even hotter. In winter they are going full belt to keep houses warm, and pump out vast quantities of cold to make the winters even colder. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: That makes as much sense as most of the theories discussed in the MSM :)	CliveM (6007)
1404798	2015-08-10 07:06:00	Both the heat and the cold can only be caused by one thing ....... the temperature. Ken	kenj (9738)
1404799	2015-08-10 07:53:00	Are you just baiting Nick waiting for the meltdown now? It's not proof of anything as you are well aware, and I assume that's why the emoticon . At this point anyone following the thread should be well aware local weather patterns and temperatures are independant of average global temperatures and in no way relevant . I decided to abandon this thread as a pointless exercise a few times already, somehow I keep getting sucked back in . We have established all we are going to and now it's just down to amusement value . Neither side is convincing anyone of anything any more . How I see the debate; We know B . M . is open mindedly firmly entrenched in the belief that global warming is a non issue . - to be fair though B . M . has pointed out some good arguments against the severity of the change and the risk to humanity (but no proof it's not happening) I think we can all agree politicians have no clue how to deal with the issue one way or the other and just resort to creating new taxes We know that climate change is happening, but we disagree over the extent of our influence or our ability to do anything about it . None of us is likely to live long enough to see proof either way . Very good post dugimodo, so let’s discus your thoughts on the matter . Firstly, any Meltdown that Nick may have will be attributed to Global Warming . ;) Secondly, I absolutely agree that a single event is not proof of anything, climate wise, unless you are a Pagan Green Alarmist in which case the rules change and every weather event becomes proof if you can spin it . Thirdly, it’s a big call to say everyone’s mind is now made up . I don’t think so because I know people who believed Mann & Co until they got busted cheating . Now those same people have swapped sides and are filthy about being sucked in . Interestingly, those same people got sucked in by the Y2K hoax too . (filled their baths with water and filled the pantry with provisions and emergency equipment) . :lol: Lastly, it is simply not true to say that no evidence has been produced so show there is no Global Warming . Remember, even the protagonists claimed "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't . " Of course there are many other scientists now (including NASA) who claim there has been no significant change in Global Temperatures in the last 20 years and Co2 seems to have no relevance or relationship to what’s not happening . And do remember, that the onus of proof lies with you guys to prove it is happening, not for us to prove it isn’t . However, I find the biggest insult to a man’s intelligence is the protagonists of Global Warming changing the name to Climate Change when they got busted and had to call in the Spin Doctors . :rolleyes: As I’ve said before, you can give a dog a different name but it’s the same dog . ;)	B.M. (505)
1404800	2015-08-10 08:04:00	Here's my theory as to why there are increasing extremes of temperature, summers getting hotter, winters getting cooler. It's all due to the millions of heat pumps in use around the world. In the summer with air conditioners and heat pump units going full blast to keeps houses cold, they are pumping out vast quantities of heat to the outside to make the summer even hotter. In winter they are going full belt to keep houses warm, and pump out vast quantities of cold to make the winters even colder. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Well now you’ve done it haven’t you! Some Dork in a Council Office will pick up on this and we’ll all be like Christchurch where you can’t light a fire in your living room to keep warm in case you melt one or both the icecaps. :D	B.M. (505)
1404801	2015-08-10 09:53:00	Secondly, I absolutely agree that a single event is not proof of anything, climate wise, unless you are a Pagan Green Alarmist in which case the rules change and every weather event becomes proof if you can spin it . Lastly, it is simply not true to say that no evidence has been produced so show there is no Global Warming . Remember, even the protagonists claimed "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't . " Of course there are many other scientists now (including NASA) who claim there has been no significant change in Global Temperatures in the last 20 years and Co2 seems to have no relevance or relationship to what’s not happening . And do remember, that the onus of proof lies with you guys to prove it is happening, not for us to prove it isn’t . However, I find the biggest insult to a man’s intelligence is the protagonists of Global Warming changing the name to Climate Change when they got busted and had to call in the Spin Doctors . :rolleyes: Then why are you the one linking to individual events as part of logic? I'm not . No one else here is . Of course not all evidence shows climate change, all studies return results both sides of the eventual conclusion . This is a pretty simple concept to understand . It's funny you should mention NASA: http://climate . nasa . gov Also funny you should mention the onus of proof, when the vast majority of scientists have concurred that we are contributing to climate change . Now that's the agreed position of the majority of scientists, the onus of proof is actually on people to disprove them . It used to be the other way around; the onus of proof has definitely flipped though . As ever, both sides need to continually prove their arguments though . We've been over the Global Warming/Climate Change debate before . The average temperature is expected to rise, but each area will experience different change in temperature - some will cool, some will warm . Hence the name climate change, over global warming .	Nick G (16709)
1404802	2015-08-10 09:55:00	It's not proof of anything as you are well aware, and I assume that's why the emoticon. The sad part is, given how he's been arguing, I'm really not sure he is aware of that... And yes, he's baiting me. He knows that attrition is one way to win an argument on the internet, when you can't win with evidence.	Nick G (16709)
1404803	2015-08-10 22:44:00	:rolleyes: Well now you’ve done it haven’t you!Some Dork in a Council Office will pick up on this and we’ll all be like Christchurch where you can’t light a fire in your living room to keep warm in case you melt one or both the icecaps. :DActually, whether you agree or disagree with them (and I personally disagree) I believe the intention of restrictions is to keep the air clean so it isn't harmful for human health, not to combat climate change.	Nick G (16709)
1404804	2015-08-10 23:00:00	Both the heat and the cold can only be caused by one thing ....... the temperature. Ken So, what we need is less temperature . That will solve global warming, opps I mean climate change So ,just like the NZ $ devalues, a devaluation of Deg Celsius is needed The new temp will be degrees Centius, and will be 10deg less than Celsius . Rising global temps instantly soved. :clap :clap :clap Heck, the govt could even tax it . Every home will have a tax dependent on local temps , and SI will have a global cooling tax imposed in case we start going into the cyclic icey age	1101 (13337)
1404805	2015-08-11 04:28:00	All that is needed is a Michael Mann thermometer. They are readily available and read Celsius on one side and Fahrenheit on the other. If you think the planet is cooling you read the Celsius side and if it’s warming you read the Fahrenheit side. All is well until you get to -40 when it doesn’t matter which side you read and you probably don’t care anymore. ;) No need to purchase any tree rings or hockey sticks.	B.M. (505)
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