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Thread ID: 139865	2015-07-13 02:48:00	Can I have a $ each way please?	B.M. (505)	PC World Chat

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1404686	2015-07-28 07:38:00	I think you're the one who isn't quite understanding. +1 He is either as stupid as he seems, or is being deliberately obtuse. Either way he is digging himself a mighty hole, what a wally.	KarameaDave (15222)
1404687	2015-07-28 08:02:00	+1 He is either as stupid as he seems, or is being deliberately obtuse. Either way he is digging himself a mighty hole, what a wally. You two had better make tracks they're onto you. :lol: HERE (www.nzherald.co.nz)	B.M. (505)
1404688	2015-07-28 09:20:00	You two had better make tracks they're onto you. :lol: HERE (www.nzherald.co.nz) Going to counter the point I've now made twice? Before you play dumb and ask which point, the point I made was the relationship between two variables - ice cover in Antarctica, and CO2 levels. When CO2 levels declined, ice cover increased. Now CO2 levels are increasing, and the ice cover is shown to be decreasing, even if it just sea ice so far. What is so difficult to comprehend about the relationship between CO2 and ice cover levels? Yes, we're talking different absolute numbers, but the trend is the same.	Nick G (16709)
1404689	2015-07-28 09:50:00	Wooaahh there guys, steady on. Its a good discussion with no need to swop insults. I'm on board with Nick but understand the points made by BM and KD. I posted earlier that solar weather is a critical factor, plus I remember the scientific predictions of a mini-ice age in the late 1960s. Climate is complex.	Winston001 (3612)
1404690	2015-07-28 10:00:00	KarameaDave, continue the name calling and you will be off the forum to cool down. All, if you cannot make a post without being insulting to someone, then DO NOT MAKE IT. You have been warned.	Jen (38)
1404691	2015-07-28 10:09:00	There are three different but related problems discussed in this thread. Indeed all three are mixed into virtually any discussion about our planet's climate. 1. The Earth's climate is changing (generally warming) because of AGW - Anthropogenic Global Warming. In essence the sudden release by man of carbon locked into geology from the Carboniferous Period. Smog, CO2, Methane etc. Greenhouse Earth. Or... 2. Climate is changing because that is the natural order for the planet. Geologically we are in a cool period so warming should be no surprise. Nor indeed should further cooling be a surprise - we just don't know. And... 3. Human activity is releasing complex hydrocarbons and heavy concentrations of pure metals into our air, soil and water. Nobody disputes this. What bothers me is everyone including politicians, wastes time arguing about 1 and 2 instead of focusing on 3: how we are poisoning ourselves. That IMHO is the central issue.	Winston001 (3612)
1404692	2015-07-28 19:56:00	Going to counter the point I've now made twice? Before you play dumb and ask which point, the point I made was the relationship between two variables - ice cover in Antarctica, and CO2 levels . When CO2 levels declined, ice cover increased . Now CO2 levels are increasing, and the ice cover is shown to be decreasing, even if it just sea ice so far . What is so difficult to comprehend about the relationship between CO2 and ice cover levels? Yes, we're talking different absolute numbers, but the trend is the same . Well I’ve already answered it but just for you here goes again . 45 . 5 million Years ago, according to the link provided the Co2 levels were in the 1000’s ppm . Ok, but there was nobody to blame the for Co2 levels . No nasty coal burners or cows farting . 10 . 5 million years later the Co2 levels had fallen to 760ppm and to quote: The Ice began escalating widely . Once again with no help from us . Now the Co2 is 400ppm and the Ice is melting . So let’s relate this to water . At 0°C water freezes, make that the equivalent of 760ppm Co2 Then at -36°C, the equivalent of the difference between 760ppm and 400ppm the ice starts to thaw . Give me a break . On the other hand, if Ice escalates widely at 760ppm we’d better start feeding the cows baked beans if we really want all that ice for something . :lol: 6628	B.M. (505)
1404693	2015-07-28 21:38:00	There are three different but related problems discussed in this thread . Indeed all three are mixed into virtually any discussion about our planet's climate . 1 . The Earth's climate is changing (generally warming) because of AGW - Anthropogenic Global Warming . In essence the sudden release by man of carbon locked into geology from the Carboniferous Period . Smog, CO2, Methane etc . Greenhouse Earth . Or . . . 2 . Climate is changing because that is the natural order for the planet . Geologically we are in a cool period so warming should be no surprise . Nor indeed should further cooling be a surprise - we just don't know . And . . . 3 . Human activity is releasing complex hydrocarbons and heavy concentrations of pure metals into our air, soil and water . Nobody disputes this . What bothers me is everyone including politicians, wastes time arguing about 1 and 2 instead of focusing on 3: how we are poisoning ourselves . That IMHO is the central issue . I agree Winston there are many things that could be addressed and most of them more important than Co2 . However, this thread is about Co2 so I won’t get off topic . You might like this out of Australia a few years ago where one of their "Eminent Scientists" took on the believers and the Government . As you will know Australia has now dumped their Carbon Tax having seen the light . ;) What is now being attempted is the Legitimising of a new Tax by deception . It will be equal to the putting up of the GST to 12 . 5% This is a totally unacceptable impost upon the Tax payers . Here's a practical way to understand Julia Gillard / Bob Brown Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme . Imagine 1 kilometre of Atmosphere and we want to get rid of the carbon pollution in it that's being created by human activity . Let's go for a walk along this 1 Kilometre of Atmosphere together . One Kilometre consists of 1000 Metres The first 770 metres are Nitrogen . The next 210 metres are Oxygen . That Totals 980 metres of the 1 kilometre: 20 metres to go . The next 10 metres are water vapour: 10 metres left . 9 metres of the remaining 10 are Argon; Just 1 more metre left . Now a few different gases make up the first bit of this last metre . Still looking for the Carbon Dioxide . Well it makes up the last 38 centimetres of the kilometre . About a foot and a half of one Kilometre 97% of that one foot is produced by Mother Nature itself . Yes, It's natural . Out of our journey of one kilometre, there are just 12 millimetres left . Just over a centimetre - about half of one inch . That then is the amount of carbon dioxide that global human activity puts into the Worlds atmosphere . And of those 12 Man Made millimetres Australia puts in 0 . 18 of a millimetre . Less than the thickness of a Human hair . One hair thickness out of one kilometre! As a hair is to a kilometre - so is Australia 's contribution to what Julia and Bob calls Carbon Pollution . Imagine Brisbane Queensland 's new Gateway Bridge, ready to be opened . It's been polished, painted and scrubbed by an army of workers 'till its 1 kilometre length is now surgically clean . Now accept that Julia and Bob say we have a huge problem, the bridge is polluted by a human hair laying on the roadway . We'd laugh ourselves silly . There are plenty of real pollution problems in the World to worry about . It's hard to imagine that Australia 's contribution to the carbon dioxide volume in the world's atmosphere is one of the more pressing ones . And I can't believe that a new tax on everything in Australia is the only way to blow a polluting hair of a bridge .	B.M. (505)
1404694	2015-07-28 22:28:00	B.M, if there was a similar concentration of DDT in your food, would you still eat it?	Nick G (16709)
1404695	2015-07-28 22:38:00	I take it you learned fellows are au fait with the Carbon Cycle. I n a perfect environment it balances out, throw in more of one variable and it goes out of kilter until a new balance is achieved. Result of an imbalance? Climate instability. Regarding Antarctic ice, this article might be interest. www.washingtonpost.com Also don't forget water expands as it's temperature rises, to 4c.	Whenu (9358)
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