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Thread ID: 139930	2015-07-25 03:55:00	Interesting Site For Windows 10 Tweaks	ruup (1827)	PC World Chat

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1405352	2015-07-26 04:05:00	I'm waiting to see what the final release actually looks like. I've gotten used to the start screen and don't really have a problem with it. I agree it's not the best looking of things but it's easy enough to use and I don't much care how attractive it is. I don't spend a lot of time gazing at it for it's aesthetic value or anything. I do find it disappointing that the return of the start menu has been made a big deal of when in fact it's just a slightly modified version of the start screen that can be resized and really is not much like a windows 7 or earlier start menu at all. I personally prefer the older start menu for the most part but not enough to bother with classic shell or similar. I think it's a valid point that you can use 3rd party software to customise the look or stay with an older version if you really don't like 8.1 or 10 (which so far seems more like 8.2 to me, just saying) but personally I want to move to the latest version for all the little improvements there are, you know the ones that are nothing to do with what the start menu/screen looks like. If you've used 8.1 for a while you'll know there are a lot of little tweaks that are very nice, things like improved task manager, better file copy functions, etc. While you may or may not like the modern apps, I also like to have the option to use them if I want or ignore them if I prefer.	dugimodo (138)
1405353	2015-07-26 04:37:00	I'm waiting to see what the final release actually looks like. I've gotten used to the start screen and don't really have a problem with it. I agree it's not the best looking of things but it's easy enough to use and I don't much care how attractive it is. I don't spend a lot of time gazing at it for it's aesthetic value or anything. I do find it disappointing that the return of the start menu has been made a big deal of when in fact it's just a slightly modified version of the start screen that can be resized and really is not much like a windows 7 or earlier start menu at all. I personally prefer the older start menu for the most part but not enough to bother with classic shell or similar. I think it's a valid point that you can use 3rd party software to customise the look or stay with an older version if you really don't like 8.1 or 10 (which so far seems more like 8.2 to me, just saying) but personally I want to move to the latest version for all the little improvements there are, you know the ones that are nothing to do with what the start menu/screen looks like. If you've used 8.1 for a while you'll know there are a lot of little tweaks that are very nice, things like improved task manager, better file copy functions, etc. While you may or may not like the modern apps, I also like to have the option to use them if I want or ignore them if I prefer.Personally I hardly use the start menu on my own PC's (W7) most of the links are either on the desktop, or on Object Dock (similar to Apples Dock) & on W8.1 on the start screen which is fully transparent. The biggest complaint I hear from lots of customers is the inability to make icons on the start to look like real icons, instead of boxy tiles. (think of the W8.1 start as a secondary desktop) What would work Very Well is to have the ability to make the "box" Transparent, leaving just an icon. :) Its capable already in W8.1 for phones ( Microsoft have the software) so "maybe" it might drift over to the desktop OS. Live tiles for news etc are different to program icons.	wainuitech (129)
1405354	2015-07-26 04:43:00	If you don't like Windows 10 don't install it . How much simpler is it than that? Windows 8 isn't an abject failure . Microsoft has considered existing Windows users careful before instituting changes . I will be running 10 on one machine at first, just to keep up with the play . 8 not a failure? Then why 8 . 1? You don't remark on Vista . . . Why? Too much of a failure (in the minds of the general public) to mention! :lol: Microsoft considers the end user, as a resource, nothing more . Insider program has been sufficiently commented on by Wainuitech so I need not . Don't think I'll bet the farm on being Mr Linux, I need not gamble on such things, just pointing out that it is a reasonable alternative for many .	KarameaDave (15222)
1405355	2015-07-26 04:54:00	Hard to argue with windows 8 being at least a disappointment if not a total failure, uptake has been slow and public opinion largely negative. With 10 coming out before 8 ever really got established 8 is never going to have a large market share and therefore can be called a failure. What's not fair is the comparison often made to millennium and Vista, Me was full of bugs and never fully worked right. Vista although eventually fixed to the point it's almost as good as 7 was plagued with problems for it's first few months and still uses more resources than 7 does even now. Windows 8 for all the controversy over it's appearance is stable and performs well.	dugimodo (138)
1405356	2015-07-26 05:53:00	Tell ya whats going to be "FUN". :D:D To Quote Nathan earlier on: what you are seeing now is "just" the July 29 version of Windows 10. The Windows as a service model that means the operating system is regularly updated. That’s part of the reason Windows 10 is considered the final version of Windows as regular updates means it’s never really finished. It will never be done. There is no reason why Themes or additional default Start Menu/Explorer settings can't be added, What may be the most commonly asked question asked here when people ask for help with W10 will be "What build are you on, please type winver in the search, and provide the build number" When MS add features or alter settings, giving advice for a earlier build will lead to :confused: No such setting exists. Guess this is where the insider previews will be handy - Keeping upto date ;)	wainuitech (129)
1405357	2015-07-26 06:00:00	Hard to argue with windows 8 being at least a disappointment if not a total failure, uptake has been slow and public opinion largely negative. With 10 coming out before 8 ever really got established 8 is never going to have a large market share and therefore can be called a failure. What's not fair is the comparison often made to millennium and Vista, Me was full of bugs and never fully worked right. Vista although eventually fixed to the point it's almost as good as 7 was plagued with problems for it's first few months and still uses more resources than 7 does even now. Windows 8 for all the controversy over it's appearance is stable and performs well. 8 is great. I hated the tiles. However, once I had got rid of them and set it up to boot to the desktop I like it. I still think the tiles are a crock of shite though. So, for moi, as long as 10 is bootable to what I want and is as fast as 8, I am OK with it. Ken :)	kenj (9738)
1405358	2015-07-26 22:56:00	Tell ya whats going to be "FUN". :D:D To Quote Nathan earlier on: What may be the most commonly asked question asked here when people ask for help with W10 will be "What build are you on, please type winver in the search, and provide the build number" When MS add features or alter settings, giving advice for a earlier build will lead to :confused: No such setting exists. Guess this is where the insider previews will be handy - Keeping upto date ;) Every patch is cumulative, so everyone is no more than 1 update away from being current So think about it as failing forward not failing back	nmercer (3899)
1405359	2015-07-26 22:59:00	SERIOUSLY ????? Obviously Microsoft are only seeing what they want to see. The Feedback doesn't work unless it suits MS's plans. Please provide a link to WHERE the majority of feedback is saying everyone wants the tiles. Its easy enough to post links to thousands of replies saying the exact opposite & features are being completely ignored by MS. Just look at the insider Program and many other Forum Sites, the majority of posts are complaints. The "features" are not the problem, the real problem is appearance. Its common knowledge that you make a something pleasing to the eye, it will be better accepted. A real classic example is at out local Countdown. They have self serve counters, ALL the products have pictures if items and their name under it, there is ONE item in the grocery options that EVERYONE has problems with (the shop assistant and I had a laugh about it) , its the Carrots -- its the only one that has a tile with the word carrot in it, no picture, I was told EVERYONE has problems seeing it. Simple Question and please dont ignore it like so many other times. WHY wont Microsoft give people the options to select the interface they want on a desktop? Other third party software manufactures can do it, why Wont Microsoft ??? Some people love the tiles. Some people hate the tiles Therein lies the dilemma The tiles can all be unpinned from Start screen Some people want to hunt and peck through a fly out hierarchical menu to find their apps Some people use search Some people pin their favorite apps/photos/web URLs to the start screen	nmercer (3899)
1405360	2015-07-26 23:04:00	I will be running 10 on one machine at first, just to keep up with the play. 8 not a failure? Then why 8.1? You don't remark on Vista... Why? Too much of a failure (in the minds of the general public) to mention! :lol: Microsoft considers the end user, as a resource, nothing more. Insider program has been sufficiently commented on by Wainuitech so I need not. Don't think I'll bet the farm on being Mr Linux, I need not gamble on such things, just pointing out that it is a reasonable alternative for many. 8 and 8.1 same thing. Sorry you want to nitpick No comment about Vista as that was over 8.5 years ago I'm not sure what the point is about the end user being a resource. Microsoft is a business, so is Facebook, so is Apple, so is Google, so is your local NZ Post, Z petrol station, Pak n Save and so on	nmercer (3899)
1405361	2015-07-27 00:23:00	Its just the inferface/gui that got everyone upset with Win8 . Will be the same for 10, but less so, as many are now used to 8 & the 8/10 feel will eventually become the default that everyone is used to The actual OS will be just fine . Thats all that really matters . so we shouldnt get fixated on how it looks when we start the thing up :-) Its whats happening in the background that matters, not the pretty desktop or lack of Start menu . When people use the thing to get work done,minor complaints on how you initially interface with it become less relevant (ie desktop/tiles, lack of start menu etc) :cool: Remember Vista pre-release, & how so many were seemingly fixated on how pretty the Aero desktop will look . ;)	1101 (13337)
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