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536846 2007-03-29 23:40:00 Hi All . I'm sure you get a bit sick of these questions but here goes anyway .

I want to buy a new computer, primarily for multimedia (ie editing home movies and photos etc) and to use to record TV .

1st question . What type of CPU would you recommend and why . My current CPU is a P4 2 . 53 and since the advent of core duo's, 64bit etc it has all gotten a bit beyond me! :confused:

2nd question . What sort of TV tuner would people recommend at the moment? Is there any big advantage of external over internal? And with the upcoming release of digital TV is it worth perhaps putting off this purchase until standards have become a bit clearer? Any body know much about Sky's proposed My Sky 2?

3rd question . What type of graphics card will I need . I'm not a big gamer (and mainly game on an XBOX 360) although I do have a slight desire to get the latest Flight Sim although I know that does need a serious video card!

I'll be installing Vista Ultimate (courtesy of PC World - thanks very much :thumbs: ) and probably go for 1 Gig Ram an a couple of 320ish HDD's

Hopefully you can help without getting the sales pitchs I know I'd get instore :rolleyes:
mattv (11815)
536847 2007-03-29 23:53:00 If you are going to be installing vista, I'd strongly recommend that you get at least 2 Gigs of RAM.
As to the rest, I'll let the other folks here give you some guidelines as they probably know more about what's available than I do...
For more info on what people are recommending at the moment, you might like to have a look at the following thread
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Sherman (9181)
536848 2007-03-30 00:36:00 1st question. What type of CPU would you recommend and why.

2nd question. What sort of TV tuner would people recommend at the moment?

3rd question. What type of graphics card will I need. I'm not a big gamer (and mainly game on an XBOX 360) although I do have a slight desire to get the latest Flight Sim although I know that does need a serious video card!


Core 2 Duo. Because its the current king.

Hauppage. Take your pick which model but preferably with a hardware decoder too, if nor get a separate hardware decoder. According to my friend the fanatic, it makes a HUGE difference.

Wouldn't matter if not for the gaming. Because of the gaming the best card you can afford. No point in being specific without knowing your budget.

And with Vista, get 2Gb, 1Gb won't do it.

Actually, a thought, you want to record TV? Then forget Vista and go with XP, I bet there's all sorts of DRM hassles with Vista.
pctek (84)
536849 2007-03-30 01:23:00 The advantage of a hardware encoder is it doesn't cripple your PC and it garentees the audio and video are in sync, On the downside on-the-fly compression is not as good as a multi-pass software encoder (depending on the encoder and 20 trillion varibles) and they are generally (maybe always?) restricted to a single format, So the encoder is strickly a mpeg encoder.

If your goal is simply to record and playback TV then the onboard hardware encoder is the way to go, If on the other hand you want to delve into all the intricies of codecs, formats and compression then the TV cards that pass the hardwork over to the CPU as can be manipulated by software may be more fun (read:Drama) in the long run.
Metla (12)
536850 2007-03-30 01:25:00 and go read the "Lets build a PC" thread in teh chat section, Plenty of info. Metla (12)
536851 2007-03-30 02:12:00 My friend does both - decodes and encodes. He says software solutions suck. pctek (84)
536852 2007-03-30 06:09:00 right, Anyone who watches an avi file is decoding, Codec=compressor/decompresser.

When you encode you are compressing, when you are watching the file its decompressing during play back, hence the need for the required codecs to be present on the machine which is to be used for viewing.

This is also why many commercial codecs have a free version which only allows decompression (playback of file)

And, Your friends wrong, Your letting their opinion over rule your logic, Multi-pass variable bitrate encoding is by design capable of better results then on the fly hardware encoding, I would say your friend just done a poor job of it and the simple solution gave them better results.
Metla (12)
536853 2007-03-30 06:12:00 Do I need to explain varible bitrate multi-pass encoding and why it can produce better results then hardware encoding? Metla (12)
536854 2007-03-30 06:26:00 I agree with Metla . :eek:

A hardware encoder usually will only do one type of video format - MPEG1, MPEG2, MPEG4 etc .
While it is nice to have a hardware encoder because it takes the load off the CPU, you are stuck with whatever format it can handle .

With a software encoder you can choose whatever codec you want as long as you have it installed . But it will put load on your CPU .

For a TV card I recommend the Hauppauge PVR150MCE or 500MCE .
Good cards and have MPEG2 encoder onboard which is great for recording TV .
I have the 500MCE which is basically 2 150MCEs stuck on one card and it allows you to record 2 channels at the same time or watch one while recording another .
Also recommend Vista Home Premium over XP MCE as the media center is better from what I have read .
CYaBro (73)
536855 2007-03-31 02:11:00 1GB of RAM running Flight Simulator X? Are you crazy? Vista is already taken a lot of RAM so 2GB is the recommendation not 1GB.
The best video card on the deal is the 8800 series, check them out, there's the expensive one and the cheap one but the difference is the price you pay for it but it is worth it when you bought Nvida. Because those cards supports next generation of gaming and it is arriving very soon.
PedalSlammer (8511)
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