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Thread ID: 78151	2007-04-05 04:39:00	Another Vista crack: more bad news for Microsoft DRM	Chris Keall (10417)	Press F1

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538421	2007-04-09 01:27:00	Apple IMO is doing OK. They're turning record profits (granted mostly due to the iPod) and their OS is still holding strong security wise. They decided a good time to counter Microsoft was when Vista was launching which was a good idea. BTW, you two need to get a room.	sal (67)
538422	2007-04-09 02:08:00	I dont think it was ever disputed that Apple make money, Though I'm curious has to how they "countered" MS during the launch of Vista?	Metla (12)
538423	2007-04-09 02:10:00	No doubt it will follow much the same pattern as XP, though the timeline is another story, Lets hopes its much shorter. Yada yada yada They got what they deserved. However..The tide has turned, On the one hand users have had to wise up, MS have managed to patch enough of their code to stem the flow, and those users incapable of using a PC on the internet have either given up (no doubt blaming everything apart from there own short comings) or switched to the Mac platform. So all is good, XP has matured into an excellent product, and the really stupid users have been weeded out. Lets all do it again with Vista....lmfao. Yada yada yada. You need to cut down Mets, the word count is getting on the heavy side. Just the one point from me; Some of the stupidest users weeded out have been the early adopters of Vista.	Murray P (44)
538424	2007-04-09 05:16:00	As far as I can tell, apple's main competition is not MS, but the other pc makers. Dell HP Asus and so on. They are the ones competing with apple as a computer manufactor not MS. Apples market share can only get as good as the other makers. If apple wanted to compete with MS then they would need to become a software company selling to the masses.:2cents:	plod (107)
538425	2007-04-09 06:28:00	For Apple to become a software only company they would have to license out OS X which is not going to happen because it would mean that all of the other box manufactures would undercut Apple in the hardware department with a whole bunch of Mac clones as happened in the late 80's and early 90's after Steve Jobs had been booted out of Apple. Apple really only picked up again once they refined their product line, moved from the OS9 code base to OS X and bought out a bunch of refined products that were redesigned from the ground up - effectively once Steve Jobs had returned to Apple in late 1997. Note: While Steve Jobs is not responsible for actually making or designing any of the products that come out of Apple he has the final say in the look and feel of the finished product that will be put into production and end up on store shelves.	winmacguy (3367)
538426	2007-04-10 09:24:00	Mac can get better software reliabliity, and possibly security, by keeping control over the hardware. Open PC hardware has always been a basic handicap for MS software: it's the cause of a lot of the bloat, and every unneccessary line of code is a problem.	Graham L (2)
538427	2007-04-10 10:56:00	Considering that they have just announced to the press that they have sold 100 million iPods since they were first released in late 2001 with an average of a 29% profit margin on each iPod, I would say that Apple has a pretty good business model.	winmacguy (3367)
538428	2007-04-11 12:19:00	As far as I can tell, apple's main competition is not MS, but the other pc makers. Dell HP Asus and so on. They are the ones competing with apple as a computer manufactor not MS. Apples market share can only get as good as the other makers. If apple wanted to compete with MS then they would need to become a software company selling to the masses.:2cents: exactly if mac was sold like windows, to be installed on any custom built machine it would need to have drivers for the endless different hardwares and combinations thereof. suddenly mac users would suffer driver issues, and one of macs major marketing tactics "it just works" would no longer be true. add to that that while mac sales are increasing, so is the market, so they need to increase numerically greater that microsofts' is order for apple to gain any traction. (and it would have to be a MUCH larger number for it to mean anything) winmacguy, your original post was a bit silly really. what were you trying to prove? it sounded more like a "mac is better than windows" post than anything else imo... and to answer it, the hackers are getting in early before vista becomes mainstream. they have some foresight, rather than blind fanaticism. That could be still more bad news for Microsoft's time-wasting, resource wasting, ludicrously restrictive Digital Rights Management system. LOL	motorbyclist (188)
538429	2007-04-11 12:24:00	Apple - it just about works. As long as you want to do what Apple lets you do (and you will do it Apple's way). :D	R2x1 (4628)
538430	2007-04-11 12:34:00	LOL this is hilarious, it even pokes holes in blu-ray (www.cs.auckland.ac.nz) and even covers how for DRM to work it must defy the laws of physics warning:long exerpt follows, and all it really highlights is how DRM only serves to create a demand for piracy, and that drm is totally unneccessary (just like one of those "s"s and possibly a "c") [quote]Disabling of Functionality Vista's content protection mechanism only allows protected content to be sent over interfaces that also have content-protection facilities built in. Currently the most common high-end audio output interface is S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface Format). Most newer audio cards, for example, feature TOSlink digital optical output for high-quality sound reproduction, and even the latest crop of motherboards with integrated audio provide at least coax (and often optical) digital output. Since S/PDIF doesn't provide any	motorbyclist (188)
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