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Thread ID: 140091	2015-08-16 12:00:00	The Dairy & Coal Industries not thinking outside the square.	mzee (3324)	PC World Chat

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1406812	2015-08-24 12:55:00	The thing that is killing coal is the looming burden of carbon taxes . Coal is traditionally used for little more than heat . Our transport fuels are also carbon based, but because these fuels have much wider reaching uses and benefits than just heating alone, our govt is essentially cushioning us from the real impact of carbon prices on our transport networks we'll eventually have to be paying the full carbon price on all our fuels and gases) . Once fuel starts to get properly carbon taxed we'll all start waking up to an uncomfortable and expensive reality - our widely dispersed population with relativley small population centres (towns/cities) and shockingly inadequate public transport systems will make life very tough and many of the basics we take for granted now may become unaffordable for the majority of people . And then the increasingly high costs of shipping our imports/exports to/from NZ will also make prices go sour, and our international competitiveness will disappear when our geographic isolation (ie shipping costs) really hits home . I don't disagree but I think BM is correct . The price of carbon being fed into the economies of developed nations is too bitter a pill to swallow . Political leaders around the world will not force their citizens to pay hugely increased prices for food, warm homes, transport, and consumer products . Bear in mind that much of what we consume is now produced by rising third world countries which quite rightly say carbon emissions are the developed (OECD) nations problem . They will carry on scrambling to rise to our privileged level of wealth and we cannot morally deny that .	Winston001 (3612)
1406813	2015-08-24 22:22:00	Talking about emissions and China. We all know that it is a big polluter, but it does that partly because it is the worlds manufacturer. It creates much of that pollution supplying the west with manufactured goods. So in effect carbon emissions have moved from the west to China.	Digby (677)
1406814	2015-08-24 23:30:00	I can understand where all these(supposed) good idea go to, hard pine , clean burning of coal etc. Can only be some interference, somewhere.	Cicero (40)
1406815	2015-08-25 00:08:00	Coal can NEVER be clean burning , all we can do is remove the soot . Burning coal allways spits out greenhouse gas Carbon + burning = CO2 (same goes for wood, we are just burning the carbon in the wood) NZ has recently permanently closed down its big coal fired electricity plant . If Coal were such a great option, that would never happen. If coal to petrol was such a great option, that would be being used world wide on a much bigger scale, not just the few operations doing so .	1101 (13337)
1406816	2015-08-25 07:14:00	Who said coal is dead - here are two new power plants being built. edition.cnn.com You will need to scroll through to photo 6. (then look at number 7!)	Digby (677)
1406817	2015-08-25 22:05:00	NZ has recently permanently closed down its big coal fired electricity plant . If Coal were such a great option, that would never happen . If you’re referring to Huntly it won’t be closing anytime soon . It will only stop using coal for cost reasons as 50% of its coal was imported from Indonesia and Solid Energy is in deep financial poo and therefore an unreliable source of coal . It’s purely a commercial decision and not to be construed to be a “Planet Saving” exercise . However, they still have a 14” Gas line to Kapuni, and a 34” Gas Line to Maui, so they’ll be producing for a while yet . Then, if that runs out they can convert to Nuclear which was what was planned for Meremere . ;)	B.M. (505)
1406818	2015-08-26 01:25:00	If you’re referring to Huntly it won’t be closing anytime soon. It will only stop using coal for cost reasons as 50% of its coal was imported from Indonesia and Solid Energy is in deep financial poo and therefore an unreliable source of coal. It’s purely a commercial decision and not to be construed to be a “Planet Saving” exercise. However, they still have a 14” Gas line to Kapuni, and a 34” Gas Line to Maui, so they’ll be producing for a while yet. Then, if that runs out they can convert to Nuclear which was what was planned for Meremere. ;) Meremere was going to be converted to burn the Auckland rubish but the greenies and nimbys jumped up and down that the company moved to AU and is doing very nicely there doing the same thing. Why do the import coal from Indonesia?? What happened to support local industry??	paulw (1826)
1406819	2015-08-26 05:27:00	Meremere was going to be converted to burn the Auckland rubish but the greenies and nimbys jumped up and down that the company moved to AU and is doing very nicely there doing the same thing. Why do the import coal from Indonesia?? What happened to support local industry?? Sorry, can’t really answer your questions Paul. I did hear that apart from the “Pagan Greens” the Rubbish Company was also faced with the land being only leasehold with the lease to Genesis expiring in 2017. Then the land reverted to Tainui as part of a Treaty Settlement and all the rules changed. Tainui may also be keeping it to rehouse the JAFA’s once Finlayson and Key gives Auckland to them as part of the final, final, final,……….. settlement. ;) As for Huntly importing 50% of their coal from Indonesia, it also struck me as being odd and I’ve never got a straight answer from people I’ve asked. However, I have seen the Coal Trains that were shifting it from the Port of Tauranga and they were massive.	B.M. (505)
1406820	2015-08-26 06:50:00	As for Huntly importing 50% of their coal from Indonesia, it also struck me as being odd and I’ve never got a straight answer from people I’ve asked. However, I have seen the Coal Trains that were shifting it from the Port of Tauranga and they were massive. I understood the west coast coal is a of a very good quality, you are right there lots of questions of this nature that go unanswered.	Cicero (40)
1406821	2015-08-26 07:38:00	Bit like when they found coal in Kent they promptly built a coal fired power station. Then when they tested the coal found it was great for making steel and useless for the power station. I hear coal trains used to pass each other carrying Kentish coal to Sheffield and Welsh coal to Kent.	gary67 (56)
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