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Thread ID: 140091	2015-08-16 12:00:00	The Dairy & Coal Industries not thinking outside the square.	mzee (3324)	PC World Chat

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1406782	2015-08-18 03:30:00	It's all just a carbon tax away, and we're pushing up our carbon debt with every passing year - like yet another deficit that the future generations are being left to somehow pay off. Paul, you are probably somewhere near the truth in your summing up of the “Carbon Tax Nonsense” but I draw some comfort from the fact that there are country’s waking up to it. Canada and Australia have already seen it for what it is and booted it into touch, and it looks like more and more are also seeing the light. I’m picking the whole damn thing will be recorded in history as a great Rort. The next round of talks will be interesting. :D	B.M. (505)
1406783	2015-08-18 04:24:00	I’m picking the whole damn thing will be recorded in history as a great Rort. sorry, nope :groan: As soon as labour/greens get back into power, carbon taxes will be high on their priorities. If the tax made any difference at all to greenhouse emissions, it might be a good idea, but it just eventually hits the pockets of those who cant afford it. And how stupid is the idea of carbon credits, completely negates the whole purpose if you can just buy carbon credits & then spit out more greenhouse gas	1101 (13337)
1406784	2015-08-18 05:23:00	...........and somewhere there is this huge mountain of carbon tax building up..........where does it go?.........what is it used for?.................who is living it up and creaming a fortune off the top of it ?..............will governments ever return it to the rightful owners ?.................yet another of the mysteries of the modern world ! Consultants are no doubt consulting furiously on all these vexing problems with a view to appointing a committee to engage large numbers of senior consultants to study the entire problem in depth going forward in accordance with best practice. Might pay to R I N G N O W, because they have operators waiting for your call. ;)	R2x1 (4628)
1406785	2015-08-18 05:42:00	sorry, nope :groan: As soon as labour/greens get back into power, carbon taxes will be high on their priorities. If the tax made any difference at all to greenhouse emissions, it might be a good idea, but it just eventually hits the pockets of those who cant afford it. And how stupid is the idea of carbon credits, completely negates the whole purpose if you can just buy carbon credits & then spit out more greenhouse gas Ahh yes, you have a point 1101, so we must ensure they never get into power. ;) They didn’t get called “The Looney Left” for no reason now did they. Oh well, it looks like I'm stuck with Winston. :D	B.M. (505)
1406786	2015-08-18 05:49:00	Consultants are no doubt consulting furiously on all these vexing problems with a view to appointing a committee to engage large numbers of senior consultants to study the entire problem in depth going forward in accordance with best practice. Might pay to R I N G N O W, because they have operators waiting for your call. ;) You mean something like THIS (canterbury.royalcommission.govt.nz) An excellent Template on how to get nothing done. :D	B.M. (505)
1406787	2015-08-18 06:56:00	Are you really willing to pay 3x the cost of petrol, for your coal conversion scheme . 99% of Kiwis wont. Keeping people employed in dead industries is not sustainable . Not sure if kiwi's want to sweat or toil away in the coal industry. Always thought coal is a ancient Victorian type industry, and if it is really needed in NZ today. I think in China there is a massive coal plant, but they warrant it I think for increasing massive industrialization. If coal was left buried...i.e. left alone to further degrade in their mines, what loss would it be to NZ? Or any worthwhile gain?	kahawai chaser (3545)
1406788	2015-08-18 18:33:00	mzee, I see what you are getting at, but honestly, the cost for NZ to stay green is expensive and we suffer with those consequences and have to export it as RAW material. This causes us to survive global warming for many more years now... What I think you don't understand however is Fonterra isn't 'that' silly. They are selling the milk powder to themselves, especially over in China and then processing it into the products you can imagine because of how much cheaper it is to process over there. Other companies do this to, but forget trying to link them all tied as one, that's things only Scooby Doo can solve. By the way, if you have any ideas on making these things possible to work in NZ at an affordable way, I'd be all ears. Cheers, KK	Kame (312)
1406789	2015-08-18 19:29:00	Since the 1970's I have heard people say that we should turn our primary products into more finished products so that we can sell them for more. I am sure that by now if this were possible it would have been done. The sad fact is that we are a long way away from our big markets (transport costs) and our wages and costs are high. And those countries want to produce the products there to both save money and employ their own people. Hell its even cheaper to send our fish to China, process it there, and ship it back here for sale to us! We grow a lot of timber. We used to have lots of furniture factories in NZ. But they all closed due to low cost imports. So how could we think about exporting furniture? Except in some niche markets.	Digby (677)
1406790	2015-08-19 03:18:00	Since the 1970's I have heard people say that we should turn our primary products into more finished products so that we can sell them for more. I am sure that by now if this were possible it would have been done. The sad fact is that we are a long way away from our big markets (transport costs) and our wages and costs are high. And those countries want to produce the products there to both save money and employ their own people. Hell its even cheaper to send our fish to China, process it there, and ship it back here for sale to us! We grow a lot of timber. We used to have lots of furniture factories in NZ. But they all closed due to low cost imports. So how could we think about exporting furniture? Except in some niche markets. Don't know about you, but I like cheap imports ;) Imports are not a bad thing.	Nick G (16709)
1406791	2015-08-19 04:30:00	Don't know about you, but I like cheap imports ;) Imports are not a bad thing. Yes but you need more exports than your imports, or you cannot afford them! (And you/we have to borrow and pay interest)	Digby (677)
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