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Thread ID: 140277	2015-09-16 09:39:00	Security bracelets are useless.	mzee (3324)	PC World Chat

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1408472	2015-09-16 09:39:00	Seventeen prisoners have managed to remove their security bracelets. If all prisoners had a surgically implanted Chip placed in a position where tampering could be fatal, the security would be fitted for life. Sat-Nav would keep track of the prisoner, in or out of prison. Parameters could be set so any movement outside the boundaries would result in an alarm to control, and at the press of a button would render them unconscious. We are expected to have our Dogs chipped, so why not prisoners? If I had my way, any person receiving more than two prison sentences would be surplus to requirements and be terminated. I also think that the Government should explain how they spend $100,000 to detain a prisoner for a year ($274 a day)? A pensioner lives on $50 a day! In some countries Prisons are self supporting and the inmates have to work for a living.	mzee (3324)
1408473	2015-09-16 20:18:00	For life? You know they use these things on people convicted of drink driving and stuff too? Bit much isn't it? Life? And 2 sentences and you're dead.....well, execution for a minor offence is a bit much isn't it? Drink driving for instance again, if you drive again while disqualified it's a jail sentence. Not long, but still. That's why they came up with the bracelet thing in the first place, instead of clogging up the jails with that sort of thing. Yes, the downside is, once they cut it off, they can no longer see where the person is......but it's pretty hard to hide for long in NZ, and cutting it off and running away generally leads to them ending up in actual jail anyway.....so hey, they get their chance and it's up to them.	pctek (84)
1408474	2015-09-16 21:45:00	Unfortunately once they chip prisoners it wont be long till the chip everyone else. Bracelets are fine, make the punishment harder if they remove them.	Gobe1 (6290)
1408475	2015-09-16 22:23:00	I saw a movie where the bracelet was around the neck and contained a small explosive which would activate when any attempt was made to remove it. Hmmm	Greg (193)
1408476	2015-09-16 23:18:00	Implanting a chip, legal systems would have to make pretty sure that the person is innocent, and then a threshold for the minimum proven criminal act need be defined for chipping them. Otherwise liability could have major or expensive effect. But recidivists should be somehow dealt with, in addition to being just jailed.	kahawai chaser (3545)
1408477	2015-09-16 23:47:00	Crims would just get their chip cut out, and then plant it in their dog . Bring in chain gangs, get them doping some hard work. It wont solve the crime problem, but at least they'll be doing something rather than sat in a cell all day. One US prison warden had chain gangs and PINK prison clothing. The crims hated being seen in pink , more than anything else.	1101 (13337)
1408478	2015-09-17 11:21:00	+1 for the chain gangs. I still have visions of the Cook Strait tunnel being dug by prisoners with picks and shovels. Once on the chain, they would be there for the duration of their sentence. Work, eat, sleep on the chain. No escapes, no bracelets, no bleeding heart do-gooders bleating about "prisoner rights." More serious offences such as murder, rape or assault which leave the victim with permanent disability would be all treated the same: a bullet behind the courthouse on being found guilty. Minor offences such as shoplifting a cabbage — six strokes of the birch on their naked behind in the town square. Think of the humiliation as part of the punishment. Recidivism cut by 99.9%. Cost of the penal system cut to $2 a day per prisoner (for the luncheon sausage sandwich) and the warden with the big gun. Minister of corrections – out of a job.	Blue Druid (4480)
1408479	2015-09-17 22:40:00	But need to define what sort of chain gang work. Construction, Maintenance, or General low end cleaning. They could encroach on legitimate companies, interfere (justice department) in any bidding contracts, and upset companies, employees, and unions. Also if they do get the work, they could be credited - perhaps undeservedly with the work. Never mind the average worker who may have spent some time/money upskilling, working, training, required referrals, prepare CV's, interviews, to land the same job to those basically gifted to them. Case in point was a NZ factory worker - who studied hard, paid his way, was to train prisoners. He felt displaced, upset, and felt unfair to do so. To get a job is not just to work at it , but to work for it - sometimes a long time to get that job. Unless of course if you know someone, or the owner (or own family) of the company.	kahawai chaser (3545)
1408480	2015-09-18 04:42:00	I don't understand how when murdering someone and raping you only do 18 years. Perhaps you could explain the thinking..	Cicero (40)
1408481	2015-09-18 05:38:00	I can't figure it either Cicero. And not all murderers or rapists get even that long. In my mind, such people forfeit their right to live in society, along with those who stop short of murder but inflict permanent injury upon their victim. We can't banish them to a desert island so instead, we opt to provide them with board and lodgings for a finite period. So effectively, the victim or the victim's family have to pay to keep the perpetrator alive. It seems neither just nor fair. The only benefit a prisoner provides is a job for corrections staff. Yet the bleeding hearts would have us believe that no one is beyond redemption so we must pay mega millions to keep them better fed, better housed and better clothed than they were on the outside just in case they reform and don't kill, rape or maim anyone else. Simple incarceration makes no sense. But if 18 years on the chain building my Cook Strait tunnel (10 traffic lanes and four track railway) didn't persuade them to abandon their nasty ways, at least we would have a tunnel... eventually. When they'd finished that, they could build a trans-Tasman tunnel. No! Wait! They might meet the Aussies tunneling back towards us! Of course, then we could seal both ends of the tunnel and the whole Australasian crime problem would be solved in one go!	Blue Druid (4480)
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