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| Thread ID: 140309 | 2015-09-22 00:31:00 | So its OK | B.M. (505) | PC World Chat |
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| 1408713 | 2015-09-23 01:47:00 | Is that right! www.midcentraldhb.govt.nz Too right ! "Some cardiac patients may need to be referred to Wellington Hospital If you require an complex angiography or angioplasty you will be referred to Wellington Hospital. All cardiac surgery is normally performed at Wellington Hospital" Wellington hospital has always been a PITA to get to and find parking, especially when you have an appointment at around 8.30 am and you have to fight through the commuter traffic. It would have made more sense in some ways for it to have been rebuilt at Kenepuru, Porirua. |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 1408714 | 2015-09-23 02:03:00 | You've really got your knickers in a twist there, so wrong on all counts. He says in the video he experienced another angina attack in the the plane on the way to Palmerston North,which was treated by the accompanying nurse. You really need to read up on angina and myocardial infarction before commenting. Reading between the lines, whilst he experienced severe angina, which his nitrolingual spray did not alleviate, it may not have been an actual heart attack which results in damage to heart muscle, which was why he was discharged after only two days from Palmerston North hospital. Blood tests are carried out to see whether a heart attack has taken place. So they sent him to Wellington for an angiogram which is a test to measure constriction or blockage of the coronary arteries. The results of this procedure appear to have been judged ok for him to be discharged without further treatment such as a by-pass op. The trauma effect of angina and heart attack should not be underestimated. So if he didn't actually suffer a heart attack, the headline of the article is wrong...if he did have a heart attack, it was different to the angina he suffered. I'm also fully aware of angina and what it is, having up to date first aid training :) I still maintain that it is not the hospital's job to arrange transportation for a discharged patient, and the hospital quite probably doesn't really have the spare resources to have someone floating around for a few days who doesn't need a bed or to be there. I'd say his family failed him there, pretty sure they could have gotten there when he was discharged... |
Nick G (16709) | ||
| 1408715 | 2015-09-23 02:30:00 | So why do you suggest they eventually went to the huge expense of providing an Air Ambulance and accompanying nurse? As far as friends and relations go, who is to say he had any? Because he made a fuss and threatened them with the media. He said: "He was told by staff to leave on a Thursday but the problem was his family were not able to pick him up until Saturday. " |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1408716 | 2015-09-23 04:03:00 | Let’s just keep it simple. 1: Regardless of the exact details of this chaps Medical Issues there can be no doubt they are serious. 2: The initial handling of his discharge was a disaster and someone needs to stump up to what happened. 3: Fortunately, someone with more than half a brain got the matter sorted so full marks to them. Regretfully, Hospitals attract their share of idiots the same as elsewhere but because they are often dealing with life and death situation the idiots need to be culled. Let me tell you about an incident I was personally involved in. Some time ago (years) I had surgery on the veins in one leg. Following the surgery I was placed in a Ward where the fellow in the adjacent bed appeared to be in pretty poor shape if all his tubes and wires were anything to go by. He couldn’t speak because of his tubes but at one stage he started making noises and pushed his emergency button. A light came on above his bed but nobody came so I pressed mine. Still nothing. So out of bed I get and hobble down to the Nurse Station where I found them all gathered around a computer. Both our lights were on in the Station and when I announced that the guy in the next bed was in some sort of trouble, I was told they would be there shortly, they were just watching the end of a Trade Me auction. Well, none of them will die wondering what I thought of them. ;) One nurse even had the gall to rip into me for being out of bed! :rolleyes: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1408717 | 2015-09-23 04:23:00 | [QUOTE]Because he made a fuss and threatened them with the media. He said: "He was told by staff to leave on a Thursday but the problem was his family were not able to pick him up until Saturday. " Well if they had nothing to hide threatening them with the Media would be a waste of time wouldn’t it? What say his relatives were overseas and didn’t return until Saturday? |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1408718 | 2015-09-23 04:27:00 | What say his relatives were overseas and didn’t return until Saturday? Then the family / friends need to pull finger and get someone in to the country? Seriously, it's a hospital, not a hotel. I can just see now how upset you'd be if the headline instead was "Heart-attack victim dies because hospital beds were full of treated patients waiting for family to bother coming to pick them up". |
inphinity (7274) | ||
| 1408719 | 2015-09-23 05:09:00 | Let’s just keep it simple. 2: The initial handling of his discharge was a disaster and someone needs to stump up to what happened. Totally and utterly disagree. The hospital treated him and informed him of when he was to be discharged. There was no problem in that, and nobody needs to 'stump up'. No need for heads to roll here B.M., move along. |
Nick G (16709) | ||
| 1408720 | 2015-09-23 05:43:00 | So if he didn't actually suffer a heart attack, the headline of the article is wrong...if he did have a heart attack, it was different to the angina he suffered. I'm also fully aware of angina and what it is, having up to date first aid training :) I still maintain that it is not the hospital's job to arrange transportation for a discharged patient, and the hospital quite probably doesn't really have the spare resources to have someone floating around for a few days who doesn't need a bed or to be there. I'd say his family failed him there, pretty sure they could have gotten there when he was discharged... There is no substitute for first hand experience, no matter what first aid you have done :) Well, you can't go by the printed word........... It sounds more dramatic to say heart attack.......I'm surprised they didn't use the word "massive" also :) You can ignore the print and go by what the chap himself said in the video. He obviously thought he was having a heart because he precisely followed the nitrolingual protocol with no relief and he felt it was different and worse than what he had experienced previously. Other than being in hospital rest care and then having an angiogram, he does not mention of receiving any actual treatment, so he most likely came out in just the same condition as he went in, as evidenced by the angina attack he experienced on the plane, which was certainly no 'coincidence'. It was probably decided he wasn't near enough to death yet to warrant having stents fitted or heaven forbid a bypass op :horrified So, it would appear to me he will be back in the same boat as before he went in. You seem to have to be at deaths door these days before anything is done and they try to get people out of the door before the weekend. Talk of 'hotels' in these circumstances, is just crap and nonsense :badpc: |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 1408721 | 2015-09-23 06:11:00 | Maybe some kind of live in rest room be made available, may help those that are stranded. I have seen a "Whanau" room at Auckland Hospital, I think in the UK they have similar, I read somewhere about UK actor Richard O'Sullivan ended up living in one. But reserved for actors/celebrities that are ill then discharged | kahawai chaser (3545) | ||
| 1408722 | 2015-09-23 09:10:00 | Then the family / friends need to pull finger and get someone in to the country? Seriously, it's a hospital, not a hotel. I can just see now how upset you'd be if the headline instead was "Heart-attack victim dies because hospital beds were full of treated patients waiting for family to bother coming to pick them up". What nonsense. The Hospital isn’t in a position to be worried about his family or friends and the reasons for their non-availability. Their "Duty of Care" lies with the Patient, end of story. Imagine if the original proposed discharge had gone ahead and he had collapsed and died on the Bus. We now have a dead elderly gentleman in slippers and dressing gown who had been thrown out of the Hospital. Wouldn’t the Press have a field day then? And don’t worry about taking the bed of somebody who might need it more. I’ve seen them queued in the passage ways on stretchers when the need arises. |
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